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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 10 2012 13:07 GMT
#2421
On August 10 2012 22:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't understand teemo changes... I thought he was in a very good place already.


a place called never played?
Zest fanboy.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:09:06
August 10 2012 13:08 GMT
#2422
On August 10 2012 22:07 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't understand teemo changes... I thought he was in a very good place already.


a place called never played?

Except the fact that he's pretty fucking dominant toplaner when you want to be complete douche and completely counterpick the enemy top laner.
liftlift > tsm
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 10 2012 13:13 GMT
#2423
On August 10 2012 22:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:07 sAsImre wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't understand teemo changes... I thought he was in a very good place already.


a place called never played?

Except the fact that he's pretty fucking dominant toplaner when you want to be complete douche and completely counterpick the enemy top laner.


lane phase is not his problem but he falls off when you reach lategame. :/
If you cant kill the enemy oracle you will lose all your shrooms which is not good. But if you can kill the enemy oracle and the enemy team does not buy another.
Then he is really scary
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
August 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#2424
So I'm close to 4800 IP now, and I'm stuck between two champions to choose from. Ori and Rumble.

Is Rumble still OP enough to choose?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 10 2012 13:16 GMT
#2425
On August 10 2012 22:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
So I'm close to 4800 IP now, and I'm stuck between two champions to choose from. Ori and Rumble.

Is Rumble still OP enough to choose?


I've still got 100% win rate with him. He's not as derpy as before, but definitely still strong.

Ori is also very very strong, especially if you have a tanky initiator (malph, amumu). Up to you, they're both good and fun.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 10 2012 13:25 GMT
#2426
On August 10 2012 22:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
So I'm close to 4800 IP now, and I'm stuck between two champions to choose from. Ori and Rumble.

Is Rumble still OP enough to choose?


Orianna 1000x more fun than rumble, not commenting on power level.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 10 2012 13:37 GMT
#2427
On August 10 2012 22:13 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:07 sAsImre wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Don't understand teemo changes... I thought he was in a very good place already.


a place called never played?

Except the fact that he's pretty fucking dominant toplaner when you want to be complete douche and completely counterpick the enemy top laner.


lane phase is not his problem but he falls off when you reach lategame. :/
If you cant kill the enemy oracle you will lose all your shrooms which is not good. But if you can kill the enemy oracle and the enemy team does not buy another.
Then he is really scary

There are plenty of champions that fall off lategame, it's completely normal game design.
liftlift > tsm
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 10 2012 13:40 GMT
#2428
On August 10 2012 22:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:59 wussleeQ wrote:
Rengar is pretty fun. Kinda dislike how often you have to spam his skills though.


hey wusslee, how do you feel about the zyra nerfs? have you gotten to play her much since?

Aren't they live on the actual client right now? From what I've seen on PBE, she still plays pretty much the same, I can't really say much more than that because I never was good enough with her lol.
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 10 2012 14:04 GMT
#2429
On August 10 2012 21:23 PH wrote:
I read somewhere that Orianna was going to get another set of buffs soon. Can anyone confirm this?

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 21:10 schmutttt wrote:
On August 10 2012 19:43 UniversalSnip wrote:
it's weird, he'll still suck because he'll lose lane to every hero with a gap closer but he'll be even more insane vs heroes like singed or trynd. AP teemo already seems wayyyy better than on hit teemo so overall I really don't get this.

Moving garen's cleanse to his Q makes a lot of sense, if you are going to run at someone turning on E to remove a slow also removes the entire point of running at them anyway, so E wasn't a great spot for it.


Which gap closer champs does Teemo lose to? I've never lost to a Jax/Wu as Teemo top (Granted I'm only bronze) and I always thought he crushes 95% of melee top laners.

It really depends. It seems to me like, provided you're both fairly even, if the melee champ manages to get to you, then you're in trouble as Teemo. Teemo can bully melee champs up top, but he can be punished extremely easily as well. Good top players who abuse brush, make full use of their kits, and/or who get decent help from the jungler will make the lane iffy (unless it's a champ Teemo just poops on, like Trynd or something).


Once you hit six you have complete brush control and if they jump on you unless they have a stun along with the jump you can just QW and kite them.

I think Teemo is awful vs a champ like Yorick (Fuck I hate him so much) but I haven't found a bruiser (Except maybe Nidalee?) that can beat him. Like of course if you get camped it can be hard and if you get behind you get zoned pretty bad because you are squishy and they will just be able to one combo you at certain points, but I always found you can just zone them (Especially really early when they dont have their full kit).
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 10 2012 14:15 GMT
#2430
On August 10 2012 23:04 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 21:23 PH wrote:
I read somewhere that Orianna was going to get another set of buffs soon. Can anyone confirm this?

On August 10 2012 21:10 schmutttt wrote:
On August 10 2012 19:43 UniversalSnip wrote:
it's weird, he'll still suck because he'll lose lane to every hero with a gap closer but he'll be even more insane vs heroes like singed or trynd. AP teemo already seems wayyyy better than on hit teemo so overall I really don't get this.

Moving garen's cleanse to his Q makes a lot of sense, if you are going to run at someone turning on E to remove a slow also removes the entire point of running at them anyway, so E wasn't a great spot for it.


Which gap closer champs does Teemo lose to? I've never lost to a Jax/Wu as Teemo top (Granted I'm only bronze) and I always thought he crushes 95% of melee top laners.

It really depends. It seems to me like, provided you're both fairly even, if the melee champ manages to get to you, then you're in trouble as Teemo. Teemo can bully melee champs up top, but he can be punished extremely easily as well. Good top players who abuse brush, make full use of their kits, and/or who get decent help from the jungler will make the lane iffy (unless it's a champ Teemo just poops on, like Trynd or something).


Once you hit six you have complete brush control and if they jump on you unless they have a stun along with the jump you can just QW and kite them.

I think Teemo is awful vs a champ like Yorick (Fuck I hate him so much) but I haven't found a bruiser (Except maybe Nidalee?) that can beat him. Like of course if you get camped it can be hard and if you get behind you get zoned pretty bad because you are squishy and they will just be able to one combo you at certain points, but I always found you can just zone them (Especially really early when they dont have their full kit).


I've never picked a non-ranged non-Yorick champ in lane with Teemo and come out anywhere close to equal on farm or anything. It's ALWAYS a struggle to survive. I had really good success with Kayle once, but that's just because I could range him right back in the face.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#2431
On August 10 2012 22:40 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 10 2012 20:59 wussleeQ wrote:
Rengar is pretty fun. Kinda dislike how often you have to spam his skills though.


hey wusslee, how do you feel about the zyra nerfs? have you gotten to play her much since?

Aren't they live on the actual client right now? From what I've seen on PBE, she still plays pretty much the same, I can't really say much more than that because I never was good enough with her lol.


yes, they are live. I was just looking for feedback from people, and I thought you were one to play her a bunch.

I think they hit her pretty correctly. They nailed her safety in general (speed and range), and shaved a bit off her burst. You have to be way smarter to play her well. Unfortunately, this has resulted in a lot of Zyras on my team feeding.
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Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 14:55:02
August 10 2012 14:21 GMT
#2432
Removing the dodge penalty from ranked queue is the worst decision Riot has made since I started playing this game. Enough for me to consider to stop playing. Right now I had 5 consecutive dodges, 2 of them in the last sec. That makes for a total of 25 minutes of pick/draft. Really Riot, how do you think that meshes with a normal working day where you have time for a couple of games after work? I don't even give a shit about Elo, just wanna play some proper games.

Then add the brand new window of abuse being embraced by every last troll in lol. Don't like your team comp? Instalock heimer with surge and promote and call jungle. Let everyone else deal with the 30 min no-queue punishment and you can't get reported.

Edit: Was wondering how to get Riot's attention regarding this matter, but do people even care or is it just me?
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21687 Posts
August 10 2012 14:24 GMT
#2433
On August 10 2012 23:21 Blyf wrote:
Removing the dodge penalty from ranked queue is the worst decision Riot has made since I started playing this game. Enough for me to consider to stop playing. Right now I had 5 consecutive dodges, 2 of them in the last sec. That makes for a total of 25 minutes of pick/draft. Really Riot, how do you think that meshes with a normal working day where you have time for a couple of games after work? I don't even give a shit about Elo, just wanna play some proper games.

Then add the brand new window of abuse being embraced by every last troll in lol. Don't like your team comp? Instalock heimer with surge and promote and call jungle. Let everyone else deal with the 30 min no-queue punishment and you can't get reported.


Why would I dodge ever? 20min surrender is faster then dodging and you get to report the guy.
People care way to much about elo.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 10 2012 14:29 GMT
#2434
On August 10 2012 23:24 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 23:21 Blyf wrote:
Removing the dodge penalty from ranked queue is the worst decision Riot has made since I started playing this game. Enough for me to consider to stop playing. Right now I had 5 consecutive dodges, 2 of them in the last sec. That makes for a total of 25 minutes of pick/draft. Really Riot, how do you think that meshes with a normal working day where you have time for a couple of games after work? I don't even give a shit about Elo, just wanna play some proper games.

Then add the brand new window of abuse being embraced by every last troll in lol. Don't like your team comp? Instalock heimer with surge and promote and call jungle. Let everyone else deal with the 30 min no-queue punishment and you can't get reported.


Why would I dodge ever? 20min surrender is faster then dodging and you get to report the guy.
People care way to much about elo.


*shrug* I dodged my last game last night because the whole night was full of people whining and trolling. This game was no different with our last pick whining for ad the whole time, and then when our 3rd pick takes raka so 5th pick CAN ad, 5th pick bitches about having raka support. Didn't feel like dealing with it anymore, told the team I was dodging it and most of my team thanked me for it.

There are certainly times that I like the lack of penalty, but I do think it's stupid as well.
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Icysoul
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada254 Posts
August 10 2012 14:32 GMT
#2435
i dont know about this garen "buff". Who maxes w first on garen? At lvl 1, it is a 2 second duration rather than 3 second before. The base damage on judgement getting cut in half really hurts, i think mathematically, garen will do more dmg if he builds relatively little dmg items. If you force me to max w, you can't go and make q silence and movespeed scale with levels too. I understand at lvl 18 everything evens out, but very few games aren't decided before everyone reaches lvl 18. This is a huge problem as he really has 3 skills that all needs to be leveled to be truly effective.

tldr garen earlier game is decidedly worse to make his late game tankier. garen is still sht as if you want true tank, go play udyr or chogath if malphite wasn't banned.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
August 10 2012 14:48 GMT
#2436
i read lots of guides for Irelia at TSM's site and lots of them have different runes for her like attk speed,flat dmg,armor pen for the reds.Which 1 is more efficient for Irelia? And any guide to lane as her such as trade blows.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 10 2012 14:49 GMT
#2437
Rengar looks.... alright, he looks like he'll be at least partly bullshit. Like other champs that have consistently been very powerful (Lee and Irelia, for example), he looks like his kit has just too much stuff in it. Q is free damage and an attack reset/AS boost. W is free tankiness and possibly a heal. E is CC/chase potential. R is engage/escape/chase/utility/burst on a very short CD (only 40 seconds at max rank).

While none of these abilities are anything special on their own, he just has a lot of things in his toolbox. While his mobility seems somewhat limited due to his lack of a dash, that doesn't stop people like Skarner, Udyr, or Darius from being very scary (just commenting on mobility, not kits altogether).

I'll not say anything substantial until I see him played and check out his numbers, but a manaless champ with a large toolkit and good tankiness, utility, and damage baseline has all the signs of being something very strong.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 10 2012 14:51 GMT
#2438
I love the dodge mechanic lol,I cracked my peek elo since it was first implemented just by dodging whiners.
Cackle™
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 10 2012 14:52 GMT
#2439
they should just do away with mana at this point
with so many manaless champions (including diana, darius, draven, all new releases have such trivial mana costs they might as well not be there) it just really gimps mana-using champions
if you want some champs to be bullshit why not just make them all bullshit /dotaapproach
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
August 10 2012 14:55 GMT
#2440
On August 10 2012 23:48 justiceknight wrote:
i read lots of guides for Irelia at TSM's site and lots of them have different runes for her like attk speed,flat dmg,armor pen for the reds.Which 1 is more efficient for Irelia? And any guide to lane as her such as trade blows.


I would suggest looking at Wickd's Irelia guide on CLG's site.
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