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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 27 2012 22:24 GMT
#1901
On July 28 2012 07:10 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 06:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
what's your problem with it? seems to be effective in controlling her lane strength early game without needing to itemize cdr lategame to be effective


That's the point, she doesn't have to itemize it. She gets a Frozen Heart's worth of CDR for free. She doesn't have to spend gold on it, doesn't have to use an item slot, doesn't have to allocate masteries or runes, nothing. No other champion even comes close to that >.>


heimer
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
July 27 2012 22:27 GMT
#1902
On July 28 2012 06:34 Requizen wrote:
I feel like I'm the only nerd in the world who never got into Magic. My friends and I did WH40k instead.


Not the only one, The Emperor Protects. My knowledge of Magic the Gathering is playing it's first pc game for a week and a ESPN2 Tournament I watched once. *shrug*


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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11989 Posts
July 27 2012 22:28 GMT
#1903
I would not really call it "free", since levelling w does not really give any other benefit except a small reduction of cd on plants, which is pretty underwhelming for a skillpoint. Now compare this to ryze, who only gets 10%, but gets them really for free because they are on his main nuke, which you will always skill.

She might or might not be too strong at the moment, but having cdr on her w as a passive is not the problem, levelling a skill should provide some sort of benefit, and without the cdr levelling w would barely do anything at all. Sure, they could have done something else with it, but i don't really see having a lot of free cdr as fundamentally wrong.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 27 2012 22:54 GMT
#1904
On July 28 2012 07:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 07:10 Ferrose wrote:
On July 28 2012 06:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
what's your problem with it? seems to be effective in controlling her lane strength early game without needing to itemize cdr lategame to be effective


That's the point, she doesn't have to itemize it. She gets a Frozen Heart's worth of CDR for free. She doesn't have to spend gold on it, doesn't have to use an item slot, doesn't have to allocate masteries or runes, nothing. No other champion even comes close to that >.>


heimer

tf also gets a free 15% cdr with 15% as and a damage proc too
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HolyToss1911
Profile Joined May 2007
354 Posts
July 27 2012 23:05 GMT
#1905
I have been gone for a long time. What are top ad carries right now?
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
July 27 2012 23:08 GMT
#1906
On July 28 2012 07:12 Vaporized wrote:
why is viktor not played in pro games u guys think? he has decent zoning ability with his w and his ult is so strong. a lot of teams go for midgame comps and viktor just owns midgame.

is it because of the augment taking up a spot? getting 30% damage on your strongest spell and 90 ap (i think its 90 at lvl 18) isnt bad.


Minimal utility and no mobility. If you look at the current meta of mid champs, burst mages are seldom played. Viktor has one of the strongest bursts for a mid in the game, his problem is usually trying to get it off. Unless you augment his w, his only form of cc(outside of the half second silence on ult) has pathetic range. Annie outclasses him in the burst+utility purely because of her passive. Flash>ult stun is instant death to a lot of AP mids, and its devastating in a teamfight.

His augment does cause him to be less powerful than most mids come late game. Which augment you take depends on what you're looking for. If you want to kite someone like Garen or Olaf, augmenting q wouldn't be a bad idea. If I don't need to worry about shoving a lane, I will usually take w as my augment for the longer range and CDR. If I find mid to be nothing but a farm matchup (morde, malzahar, bird) then I augment e.

His overall range is pretty bad. Laser is one of the longest range spells in the game, but his q and ult have no range. However, if you do manage to slip in near a carry, you can usually count on killing them, or at the very least, shoving them out of the fight.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
July 27 2012 23:08 GMT
#1907
Graves, Ezreal, Corki all seem to be quite popular as of late however you still see plenty of Kog'maw and Vayne. This is speaking strictly in scrims/tournies I watch. Not a lot of Trist/Ashe/Miss Fortune at the moment.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 27 2012 23:14 GMT
#1908
the dodges.......... lol
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 27 2012 23:19 GMT
#1909
Trist may not be good at high elo, but at my elo, 11-1 npnp
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 27 2012 23:22 GMT
#1910
Tristana is still very good. That epic M5 vs CLG.EU match was won pretty much purely on Tristana.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 27 2012 23:23 GMT
#1911
On July 28 2012 08:19 101toss wrote:
Trist may not be good at high elo, but at my elo, 11-1 npnp


Uh, Trist is super good at high Elo.

Also, Soniv is old.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 23:28:40
July 27 2012 23:28 GMT
#1912
On July 28 2012 08:23 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:19 101toss wrote:
Trist may not be good at high elo, but at my elo, 11-1 npnp


Uh, Trist is super good at high Elo.

Also, Soniv is old.

Eh, midgame too weak and she get's crushed in lane by Ezreal/Graves/Corki. Pretty much all ADs are the same but Ezreal Graves and Corki all have way too strong lane phases which makes them pick 90% of games.
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OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
July 27 2012 23:48 GMT
#1913
On July 28 2012 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Tristana is still very good. That epic M5 vs CLG.EU match was won pretty much purely on Tristana.

Anivia's great walling and waveclear contributed a ton I thought.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 27 2012 23:54 GMT
#1914
Happy birthday bbgurl Soniv <3
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 00:18:29
July 28 2012 00:03 GMT
#1915
If people haven't seen yet, only two relevant to this thread, but KT Violet answering questions/talking to fans:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353264&currentpage=11#212

and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353264&currentpage=12#227
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#1916
Oh yeah, happy b-day soniv!
It's your boy Guzma!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#1917
On July 28 2012 08:48 OnceKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Tristana is still very good. That epic M5 vs CLG.EU match was won pretty much purely on Tristana.

Anivia's great walling and waveclear contributed a ton I thought.


Maybe 'purely' is not the best term, but I still think Tristana was one of the biggest factors in that game.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 28 2012 00:04 GMT
#1918
On July 28 2012 08:14 De4ngus wrote:
the dodges.......... lol


does anybody actually like the dodge change
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 28 2012 00:16 GMT
#1919
On July 28 2012 09:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 08:14 De4ngus wrote:
the dodges.......... lol


does anybody actually like the dodge change

No. While it may give me the option to dodge a big troll, I absolutely hate the fact that sometimes I'll sit through full picks and bans only to have someone dodge at the last minute. Now rinse and repeat that a few times before a game actually starts.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 28 2012 00:18 GMT
#1920
On July 28 2012 09:16 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 09:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 28 2012 08:14 De4ngus wrote:
the dodges.......... lol


does anybody actually like the dodge change

No. While it may give me the option to dodge a big troll, I absolutely hate the fact that sometimes I'll sit through full picks and bans only to have someone dodge at the last minute. Now rinse and repeat that a few times before a game actually starts.


"I just got counterpicked"

"Better dodge~"

So yea.
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