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On July 20 2012 02:32 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
If you guys are aware of any confirmed hacks and have proof/replays/reproduction methods please PM me privately with details so I can confirm them and pass them on to Riot Engineering. Thanks.
Sorry, I don't have proof, but I realized +30AD maths out correctly to the numbers (112 AD) he was reporting which would only be attainable with the mastery exploit from early may.
On July 20 2012 02:44 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 02:19 Requizen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:09 Feartheguru wrote:On July 20 2012 01:10 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 20 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 00:54 Plague1503 wrote:
HoG is still very good on any tanky champion that wants to eventually grab Randuins, and 50hp is a big nerf, but not EXTREMELY huge. It is when the upgrade only gave 70 HP to begin with. Honestly, even if I'm building Randuin's I'd build Warden's Mail first at this point. That little extra gold that HoG makes isn't worth the fact that you're getting less than it's worth for 10 minutes. I would agree. As I mainly jungle or top shyvana (when it comes to tanky champs) I'm never hurting for income and the extra 5 every 10 isn't going to help at all. I find Raduins pretty situational as well. The enemy AD carry having a cleaver and/or last whisper would be the main situations I'd even consider it. Randuins is definitely not situational, it's almost undeniably the go to armor item for bruisers right now. FH not for bruisers, thornmail is garbage so literally anytime you need serious armor as a bruiser (pretty much always) you should be looking at randuins How is FH not for bruisers? Big armor, CDR (which most bruisers love), and the AS debuff aura for diving AD carries. The only thing not great about it is the mana, but even that is somewhat nice considering most bruisers don't get much mp5 if any. The only reason I'd see myself not getting it is really if someone else was building one. Fh is much more tank based item imo, like amumu/cho/maokai/malphite, etc etc. There are only a few bruisers I would say, that actually itemizes better than randuins, which is ryze/ww/and maybe a few others. But for most bruisers that dive onto enemy carries, randuins is usually the better choice. FFS lets please not get into the whole business of splitting hairs between "what is a bruiser" and "what is a tank" please? A bruiser punches people(lee sin, malphite). Only thing that comes close to a tank is rumble.
Piltover customs blitzcrank is both a bruiser and a tank!
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On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween?
On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy.
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On July 20 2012 02:44 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 02:19 Requizen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:09 Feartheguru wrote:On July 20 2012 01:10 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 20 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 00:54 Plague1503 wrote:
HoG is still very good on any tanky champion that wants to eventually grab Randuins, and 50hp is a big nerf, but not EXTREMELY huge. It is when the upgrade only gave 70 HP to begin with. Honestly, even if I'm building Randuin's I'd build Warden's Mail first at this point. That little extra gold that HoG makes isn't worth the fact that you're getting less than it's worth for 10 minutes. I would agree. As I mainly jungle or top shyvana (when it comes to tanky champs) I'm never hurting for income and the extra 5 every 10 isn't going to help at all. I find Raduins pretty situational as well. The enemy AD carry having a cleaver and/or last whisper would be the main situations I'd even consider it. Randuins is definitely not situational, it's almost undeniably the go to armor item for bruisers right now. FH not for bruisers, thornmail is garbage so literally anytime you need serious armor as a bruiser (pretty much always) you should be looking at randuins How is FH not for bruisers? Big armor, CDR (which most bruisers love), and the AS debuff aura for diving AD carries. The only thing not great about it is the mana, but even that is somewhat nice considering most bruisers don't get much mp5 if any. The only reason I'd see myself not getting it is really if someone else was building one. Fh is much more tank based item imo, like amumu/cho/maokai/malphite, etc etc. There are only a few bruisers I would say, that actually itemizes better than randuins, which is ryze/ww/and maybe a few others. But for most bruisers that dive onto enemy carries, randuins is usually the better choice. FFS lets please not get into the whole business of splitting hairs between "what is a bruiser" and "what is a tank" please? A bruiser punches people(lee sin, malphite). Only thing that comes close to a tank is rumble.
Did someone just say that Rumble is a tank....?
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Gabon6219 Posts
On July 20 2012 02:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:44 JackDino wrote:On July 20 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 02:19 Requizen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:09 Feartheguru wrote:On July 20 2012 01:10 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 20 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 00:54 Plague1503 wrote:
HoG is still very good on any tanky champion that wants to eventually grab Randuins, and 50hp is a big nerf, but not EXTREMELY huge. It is when the upgrade only gave 70 HP to begin with. Honestly, even if I'm building Randuin's I'd build Warden's Mail first at this point. That little extra gold that HoG makes isn't worth the fact that you're getting less than it's worth for 10 minutes. I would agree. As I mainly jungle or top shyvana (when it comes to tanky champs) I'm never hurting for income and the extra 5 every 10 isn't going to help at all. I find Raduins pretty situational as well. The enemy AD carry having a cleaver and/or last whisper would be the main situations I'd even consider it. Randuins is definitely not situational, it's almost undeniably the go to armor item for bruisers right now. FH not for bruisers, thornmail is garbage so literally anytime you need serious armor as a bruiser (pretty much always) you should be looking at randuins How is FH not for bruisers? Big armor, CDR (which most bruisers love), and the AS debuff aura for diving AD carries. The only thing not great about it is the mana, but even that is somewhat nice considering most bruisers don't get much mp5 if any. The only reason I'd see myself not getting it is really if someone else was building one. Fh is much more tank based item imo, like amumu/cho/maokai/malphite, etc etc. There are only a few bruisers I would say, that actually itemizes better than randuins, which is ryze/ww/and maybe a few others. But for most bruisers that dive onto enemy carries, randuins is usually the better choice. FFS lets please not get into the whole business of splitting hairs between "what is a bruiser" and "what is a tank" please? A bruiser punches people(lee sin, malphite). Only thing that comes close to a tank is rumble. Did someone just say that Rumble is a tank....?
No I said rumble is the only thing that comes CLOSE to a tank. It's not an actual tank.
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On July 20 2012 02:44 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 02:19 Requizen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:09 Feartheguru wrote:On July 20 2012 01:10 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 20 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 00:54 Plague1503 wrote:
HoG is still very good on any tanky champion that wants to eventually grab Randuins, and 50hp is a big nerf, but not EXTREMELY huge. It is when the upgrade only gave 70 HP to begin with. Honestly, even if I'm building Randuin's I'd build Warden's Mail first at this point. That little extra gold that HoG makes isn't worth the fact that you're getting less than it's worth for 10 minutes. I would agree. As I mainly jungle or top shyvana (when it comes to tanky champs) I'm never hurting for income and the extra 5 every 10 isn't going to help at all. I find Raduins pretty situational as well. The enemy AD carry having a cleaver and/or last whisper would be the main situations I'd even consider it. Randuins is definitely not situational, it's almost undeniably the go to armor item for bruisers right now. FH not for bruisers, thornmail is garbage so literally anytime you need serious armor as a bruiser (pretty much always) you should be looking at randuins How is FH not for bruisers? Big armor, CDR (which most bruisers love), and the AS debuff aura for diving AD carries. The only thing not great about it is the mana, but even that is somewhat nice considering most bruisers don't get much mp5 if any. The only reason I'd see myself not getting it is really if someone else was building one. Fh is much more tank based item imo, like amumu/cho/maokai/malphite, etc etc. There are only a few bruisers I would say, that actually itemizes better than randuins, which is ryze/ww/and maybe a few others. But for most bruisers that dive onto enemy carries, randuins is usually the better choice. FFS lets please not get into the whole business of splitting hairs between "what is a bruiser" and "what is a tank" please? A bruiser punches people(lee sin, malphite). Only thing that comes close to a tank is rumble.
yes, exactly, a bruiser is a hero that engages in fisticuffs. Personally I wish there were an option to disable garen's weapon so I could play him as a boxer, I love when he just runs up and punches people.
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Corki could be a tank, but he usually flies instead.
On July 20 2012 02:56 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:44 JackDino wrote:On July 20 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:On July 20 2012 02:19 Requizen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:09 Feartheguru wrote:On July 20 2012 01:10 NEOtheONE wrote:On July 20 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:On July 20 2012 00:54 Plague1503 wrote:
HoG is still very good on any tanky champion that wants to eventually grab Randuins, and 50hp is a big nerf, but not EXTREMELY huge. It is when the upgrade only gave 70 HP to begin with. Honestly, even if I'm building Randuin's I'd build Warden's Mail first at this point. That little extra gold that HoG makes isn't worth the fact that you're getting less than it's worth for 10 minutes. I would agree. As I mainly jungle or top shyvana (when it comes to tanky champs) I'm never hurting for income and the extra 5 every 10 isn't going to help at all. I find Raduins pretty situational as well. The enemy AD carry having a cleaver and/or last whisper would be the main situations I'd even consider it. Randuins is definitely not situational, it's almost undeniably the go to armor item for bruisers right now. FH not for bruisers, thornmail is garbage so literally anytime you need serious armor as a bruiser (pretty much always) you should be looking at randuins How is FH not for bruisers? Big armor, CDR (which most bruisers love), and the AS debuff aura for diving AD carries. The only thing not great about it is the mana, but even that is somewhat nice considering most bruisers don't get much mp5 if any. The only reason I'd see myself not getting it is really if someone else was building one. Fh is much more tank based item imo, like amumu/cho/maokai/malphite, etc etc. There are only a few bruisers I would say, that actually itemizes better than randuins, which is ryze/ww/and maybe a few others. But for most bruisers that dive onto enemy carries, randuins is usually the better choice. FFS lets please not get into the whole business of splitting hairs between "what is a bruiser" and "what is a tank" please? A bruiser punches people(lee sin, malphite). Only thing that comes close to a tank is rumble. yes, exactly, a bruiser is a hero that engages in fisticuffs. Personally I wish there were an option to disable garen's weapon so I could play him as a boxer, I love when he just runs up and punches people.
One of my favorite things in WoW was when I'd get disarmed on my paladin, so I'd go from swinging a big 2-Hander to "fuck you bitch!" *punch*
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well, the difference i mention is that, bruisers dive onto enemy carries, while tanks generally try and keep people off of their carries.
the reason randuins is better on bruisers, is mostly because ad carries are required to focus down teh bruiser other wise they die to them, so randuins usually works better. but both are great items.
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On July 20 2012 02:58 wei2coolman wrote:
well, the difference i mention is that, bruisers dive onto enemy carries, while tanks generally try and keep people off of their carries.
the reason randuins is better on bruisers, is mostly because ad carries are required to focus down teh bruiser other wise they die to them, so randuins usually works better. but both are great items.
That's not a good distinction, imo. There are tanks that dive, and bruisers that peel. Skarner has sick peeling power, and can also dive with his ult. Galio is generally thought of as a tank, but usually dives to use his ult and damage, same with Amumu.
If you're saying Randuin's is better on "divers", the yeah, I'd agree with that. FH isn't bad, but Randuin's is better for the task. FH is somewhat also better for any spam-happy bruisers/tanks that like CDR.
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i recall watching a vlog earlier where nyjacky (i think) and someone else talk about most hated champs, someone says nunu+ezreal is op and also that skarner is annoying in solo queue and some other stuff
anyone know where that is? there was a funny part that i want to see again :c
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy.
as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew.
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Think they gave Twitch new animations, his last hitting seems so much smoother now.
On a side note his W flies so fucking god awfully slow its like, a challenge to hit anyone with it
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Gabon6219 Posts
On July 20 2012 03:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy. as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew.
Trist is one of the safest ad carries too:p
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On July 20 2012 02:58 wei2coolman wrote:
well, the difference i mention is that, bruisers dive onto enemy carries, while tanks generally try and keep people off of their carries.
the reason randuins is better on bruisers, is mostly because ad carries are required to focus down teh bruiser other wise they die to them, so randuins usually works better. but both are great items.
So really "bruisers" are tanky melee carries, while "tanks" are tanky melee supports.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 20 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 03:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy. as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew. Trist is one of the safest ad carries too:p
because she has an escape, that's true. the weakness of being squishy is overcome by good positioning, but in a situation where you are CC'd in a teamfight, trist is just as dead as sona
Sona's laning phase (pre nerf, reserving judgement til i see her current passive) is very strong, she has definite upside. she doesn't need leona or blitz to secure kills. sona/janna is a strong combat lane and is very hard to gank
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"Tanks keep people off their carries" is just not true. Malphite? Amumu? All these guys excel at catching carries and sitting on them.
People who stay with carries are supports
People who dive carries are melees.
Melees can both defend and dive depending on the situation there's a LOT of finesse in teamfights where you can feint dives on an AD carry and retreat to prevent him from following a tank's initiatie.
These kind of definitions put people off how to teamfight because bruisers who dive carries often overextend and insta die while tanks who don't sit on carries often let them kill your whole team.
In my mind a bruiser relies on damage while tanks rely more on CC making bruisres more farm dependent and that's the only difference and tanks who are fed are effectively bruisers and bruisers who aren't fed are more like tanks in the way they have to play.
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Gabon6219 Posts
On July 20 2012 03:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote:On July 20 2012 03:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy. as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew. Trist is one of the safest ad carries too:p because she has an escape, that's true. the weakness of being squishy is overcome by good positioning, but in a situation where you are CC'd in a teamfight, trist is just as dead as sona Sona's laning phase (pre nerf, reserving judgement til i see her current passive) is very strong, she has definite upside. she doesn't need leona or blitz to secure kills. sona/janna is a strong combat lane and is very hard to gank
The point was that trist has both a jump and a bigger range than cait mid-lategame.
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On July 20 2012 03:23 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 03:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy. as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew. Trist is one of the safest ad carries too:p
If not the safest. Range, knockback, one of the best escapes in the game. If you can get her to 18 and a couple items, fuck everything about her.
On a similar note, aside from personal preference, in what situations is Cait a good pick anymore? It used to be for her lane bully status, but she doesn't really have that as much anymore, with so many other strong laners to choose from nowadays. Traps and Q give good zone control, I suppose, but I can't really think of any comps/picks where I'd really prefer her over anyone else.
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Sona's steroid seems like... really bad.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
cait struggles heavily right now because her range advantage over other carries is somewhat nullified by the zoning strength of leona/blitz style lanes, and that she is heavily outclassed in lane by any ad who has nunu support. those are common scenarios now, as well as the drop in popularity of graves/soraka or graves/sona lanes
and yeah i'm not saying Sona > Trist all things considered, but Sona's laning is definitely harder to deal with
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