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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#181
On July 20 2012 03:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
Sona's steroid seems like... really bad.


compared to steroids like blood boil or raise morale, but those abilities don't have a damage component
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 19 2012 18:34 GMT
#182
On July 20 2012 03:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 03:31 UniversalSnip wrote:
Sona's steroid seems like... really bad.


compared to steroids like blood boil or raise morale, but those abilities don't have a damage component


I mean as an AD carry where you just want to pile stats onto yourself and be selfish
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 18:41:01
July 19 2012 18:39 GMT
#183
who's got a passive steroid that's better? corki's true damage, definitely. nobody else brings one to the table though. her steroid's not incredible, but it's certainly relevant to her ability to win trades in lane. with a good range AA, having a guaranteed higher AD rating than your lane opponent is certainly relevant. i don't think it has to be overwhelming in terms of raw numbers to see it's value
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 19 2012 18:46 GMT
#184
Are we both talking about the 20 ad bonus on the Q?
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 18:48:33
July 19 2012 18:47 GMT
#185
yeah. sona's a lane bully-turn-pew pew bot, her steroid can be underwhelming in lategame because it's very good in lane

real ad sona goes q > e > w because dat speed boost xD
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 19 2012 18:48 GMT
#186
On July 20 2012 03:22 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
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On July 20 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 20 2012 00:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote:
Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports?


good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling

im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween?


On the other hand, really low starting health and health per lvl. Sona is really squishy.


as is every other ad carry. getting cc'd in a teamfight with ashe, sivir, ezreal, corki, trist, etc means you're dead most of the time anyway. only graves and caitlyn really outperform Sona in this area, graves because of his innate tankiness and cait because she doesn't have to put herself as close to danger to pewpew.


But the difference is that Sona gets 70 health per lvl and most AD carries get around 80-83 health per lvl. Her base is also much lower than most AD carries.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 19 2012 18:49 GMT
#187
Underwhelming kinda seems to understate the case me, I dunno
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 18:53:32
July 19 2012 18:50 GMT
#188
which, again, looks bad on paper, but in practice is largely irrelevant

edit: Usnip, 20 bonus AD becomes 40 bonus AD when it's a Power Chord

edit2: sylver you should be running flat AD red on support sona unless you need those rune slots for defensive stats. mpen doesn't increase your harass by nearly as much
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 19 2012 18:51 GMT
#189
On July 20 2012 03:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
Are we both talking about the 20 ad bonus on the Q?

We're talking about how Auto+Q+Power chord auto is some significant trading potential. Maybe I'll try running AD or Armor Pen runes on support sona...
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 19 2012 18:51 GMT
#190
Some guy called Soraka Bot played a lot of AD sona at 2k elo and was very succesfull with it, for what it's worth. Sona Q triforce poke is incredibly strong.
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MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 18:53:32
July 19 2012 18:53 GMT
#191
the abundant of bad eve and xin players...
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
July 19 2012 19:06 GMT
#192
It would be really nice if the patch came out on EUW. I want to play my WIN NHAO dammit!
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 19:14:13
July 19 2012 19:11 GMT
#193
Nvm, fixed it
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 19 2012 19:11 GMT
#194
Would be real nice if a couple of you guys could bump this for me: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2375065

I contacted RiotUdyr about who to talk to in order to figure out if LEGO LoL is actually feasible, and he said if I send him an email, he'd get it to the right people. So yeah, I'm just trying to get this idea as widespread as I can.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 19 2012 19:15 GMT
#195
gl Soniv.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 19 2012 19:18 GMT
#196
Thanks. Would like to get a Red post on my thread - instaviews lol
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dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
July 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#197
And here (regrowth + ward)->philo was becoming my favorite support starter. T.T
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 19 2012 19:26 GMT
#198
On July 20 2012 03:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
which, again, looks bad on paper, but in practice is largely irrelevant

edit: Usnip, 20 bonus AD becomes 40 bonus AD when it's a Power Chord

edit2: sylver you should be running flat AD red on support sona unless you need those rune slots for defensive stats. mpen doesn't increase your harass by nearly as much

Yeah, my default support page is armor reds and GP10 quints.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 19 2012 19:35 GMT
#199
New lalalademacia is out


Ahri has a shop on 9th Avenue, lol.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 19 2012 19:37 GMT
#200
On July 20 2012 04:26 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 03:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
which, again, looks bad on paper, but in practice is largely irrelevant

edit: Usnip, 20 bonus AD becomes 40 bonus AD when it's a Power Chord

edit2: sylver you should be running flat AD red on support sona unless you need those rune slots for defensive stats. mpen doesn't increase your harass by nearly as much

Yeah, my default support page is armor reds and GP10 quints.


i gotcha. if you run gp10 or mana regen yellows you shouldn't run ad reds, but if you run armor yellows like i do then adding 10x2 damage to your power chords (or 15x2 if you take quints as well) is significant. im of the school of thought that gp10 quints are grossly overvalued though
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