EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 6
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Slayer91
Ireland23386 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I've been doing DBlades into TF as my core, but I think replacing TF with BT and a defensive item. Lifesteal feels nice with Hammer stance's built in defenses, and his AD scaling is pretty nuts. Maybe a BT/GA core like Riven? He might also do well with a defensive core like FH/Maw/FMallet or something, since Cannon EQ and Hammer E just hit so hard as it is, and his other base damages (plus stance switching passives) are pretty good. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:12 Requizen wrote: So, I know we're no longer in the Jayce patch thread, but since there's no Jayce thread yet, here we are. I've been doing DBlades into TF as my core, but I think replacing TF with BT and a defensive item. Lifesteal feels nice with Hammer stance's built in defenses, and his AD scaling is pretty nuts. Maybe a BT/GA core like Riven? He might also do well with a defensive core like FH/Maw/FMallet or something, since Cannon EQ and Hammer E just hit so hard as it is, and his other base damages (plus stance switching passives) are pretty good. honestly, the most successful Jayces I've seen run double g/10 -> BT -> ??? typically stuff like aegis, GA, trinity, randuin's, etc. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:16 Mogwai wrote: honestly, the most successful Jayces I've seen run double g/10 -> BT -> ??? typically stuff like aegis, GA, trinity, randuin's, etc. The two things Jayce needs the most (beside simple survivability) are AD and CDR. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The point being "Kass players rarely go beyond 2 stacks" is not an assumption that holds when it comes to Kass' lategame. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:16 Mogwai wrote: honestly, the most successful Jayces I've seen run double g/10 -> BT -> ??? typically stuff like aegis, GA, trinity, randuin's, etc. I'm not sure about gp10s in lane, honestly. It's not just because of the nerf (thought that has probably hurt it as well), but mostly because I feel that he has the ability to be verrrry aggressive in lane. Poking and and then Hammer trades give him pretty good "lane bully" status over a lot of tops, and I think it's better to take advantage of that. As for the rest, I think I'd rather have FH over Randuin's, but obviously not if I have a HoG early. Aegis is good, but you usually see that on the support or jungle, so I don't really feel a need for it. On a separate note, seen any Jayce jungle action? I've seen it a couple times in VoDs or streams, his early clears seem slow, but his ganks and skirmishing are pretty good, and he transitions into a good bruiser lategame that can poke well. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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nmbr
United States79 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:16 Mogwai wrote: honestly, the most successful Jayces I've seen run double g/10 -> BT -> ??? typically stuff like aegis, GA, trinity, randuin's, etc. thats exactly how i play him, and i generally do very well with jayce. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:12 Requizen wrote: So, I know we're no longer in the Jayce patch thread, but since there's no Jayce thread yet, here we are. I've been doing DBlades into TF as my core, but I think replacing TF with BT and a defensive item. Lifesteal feels nice with Hammer stance's built in defenses, and his AD scaling is pretty nuts. Maybe a BT/GA core like Riven? He might also do well with a defensive core like FH/Maw/FMallet or something, since Cannon EQ and Hammer E just hit so hard as it is, and his other base damages (plus stance switching passives) are pretty good. BT first Jayce is awesome and has pretty much become my standard opening (boots, 2 dblades first back, BT). It really helps with his nonexistant sustain in lane and ramps up your damage way faster than triforce does. I'm honestly against Triforce on Jaye at this point. A better midgame goal for him is something like BT, phage, hexdrinker, and chain vest and you can finish Frozen mallet later. I don't think Jayce has the base stats to make it through early game building GP5 + Triforce parts. Going Dblades, BT feels so much smoother. | ||
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:08 Vlanitak wrote: oh my lovely xin zhao, how good you are atm, I love it and I suspect an incoming hotfix he pretty much kills anything toplane from what I have seen so far. The level 2 jungle ganks he's going to put out only look more scary now. As for jayce, I've been doing a core of BT > FH on him and I like it. Am I the only one who finds he can have mana issues? Maybe I just don't spend enough time in melee form. Not sure what to toss in after that, tried a few things (later triforce seems better than rushing it, lets you act like a tanky ADcarry in the late game, especially for short bursts of "pretending to be an AD carry" where you can abuse your ranged W. Ugh, early harassers with sustain are so rough on him though. Winning trades with hammer QE doesn't help when they heal it off and all damage sticks to you. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:14 sylverfyre wrote: The level 2 jungle ganks he's going to put out only look more scary now. Huh? Very little about the buff seems to apply to his level 2 jungle ganks. If anything, they're weaker because you don't get your sustain naturally and need to get it from having a rank of W. The biggest thing is that his midgame teamfight should be astronomically stronger. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:20 TheYango wrote: Huh? Very little about the buff seems to apply to his level 2 jungle ganks. If anything, they're weaker because you don't get your sustain naturally and need to get it from having a rank of W. The biggest thing is that his midgame teamfight should be astronomically stronger. Increased range and slow duration on E, small armor shred (more damage from both you & your lanemate), more damage from Q. I find that quite a buff to level 2 jungle ganks. Lack of sustain really doesn't affect level 2 ganking - potions are enough to heal up after taking lizard. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:25 sylverfyre wrote: Increased range and slow duration on E, small armor shred (more damage from both you & your lanemate), more damage from Q. I find that quite a buff to level 2 jungle ganks. Lack of sustain really doesn't affect level 2 ganking - potions are enough to heal up after taking lizard. You misread the E change. It's range was nerfed, not buffed. Range reduced to 600 from 650. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 19 2012 19:07 Goragoth wrote: Quick question since Sona was being discussed: what about her makes building her as AD carry (semi) viable vs other ranged supports? good range, fast attack animation, now (it looks like) strong burst in lane once again, ashe-tier utility ult. no real ad scaling to speak of but she is a very strong duelist lategame even with no scaling im at work, can anyone test new sona passive? see if you can actually auto q chord in quick succession or if there's still an auto cooldown inbetween? | ||
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