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Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21247 Posts

July 30 2012 04:02 GMT

#2321

Zyra definitely outbursts Orianna if you land everything...

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 30 2012 04:10 GMT

#2322

Dat Zyra ult is so insane every time I see it. "Ow. OHSHITGETOUTOFITRUNRUNRUN".

On the plus side, most of the Zyras I've seen have been on my side, so that's good.

Craton

United States17303 Posts

July 30 2012 04:11 GMT

#2323

@18
Zyra:
235 + 240 + 400 = 875, 1.8 ratio (no plants)
Plant 134, .2 ratio .8 aspd, 1.2 aspd w/ ult

Orianna:
180 + 250 + 180 + 300 = 910, 2.2 ratio (no autos)

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 30 2012 04:12 GMT

#2324

I'd argue Zyra much easier to land things with, though.

icemanzdoinwork

447 Posts

July 30 2012 04:13 GMT

#2325

I was talking release orianna damage, but yea zyra probably bursts harder than that if she lands everything.

Craton

United States17303 Posts

July 30 2012 04:13 GMT

#2326

Orianna's E is difficult to burst with, but the rest is very easy for either to hit. Orianna will likely get auto boosts, too.

Vaporized

United States1471 Posts

July 30 2012 04:44 GMT

#2327

when crumbz first went to dignitas and top lane he looked shaky. but damn, he has improved dramatically. textbook shen play in this last game vs mtw. i think he finished 7-0-8 or something like that. really smooth.

i also enjoyed scarra's anivia build. archangel staff, warmog.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

July 30 2012 04:46 GMT

#2328

Anivia such a versatile champion. Build anything on her and don't matter she does good anyways. O_O

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

July 30 2012 04:49 GMT

#2329

On July 30 2012 11:27 I_Love_Bacon wrote:

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On July 30 2012 11:25 overt wrote:

On July 30 2012 11:08 arb wrote:

On July 30 2012 11:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:

On July 30 2012 10:23 overt wrote:
What? Zilean does crazy single target damage in mid game and can either speed up someone with CC or greatly slow down an enemy. He's an excellent ganker and a good wave clearer. I mean with proper use of rewind you have 5 seconds of a 55% speed up or slow down as Zilean assuming your E is only at level 1. At level 2 E it's 6 seconds of speed up/slow down. Hell you can, and players do, speed themselves up and slow down an enemy while double bombing them. I don't see how Zilean could be considered as not being good at roaming or ganking.

Zilean ult gives a carry 7 seconds in which the enemy team doesn't want to attack them. And then, if they do attack them, it'll revive them with a pretty sizeable chunk of health.

Zilean definitely not as good in solo queue, I'll give you that. But with a team built around him he's incredibly strong. Definitely better to have than Yorick in arranged 5s. Granted, they're two separate roles but if I wanted to run a "revive our super carry" I'd much rather run Zilean than Yorick.

Your last sentence is the major thing on why Zilean isn't good. You need a team basically about feeding the shit out of a champ and getting them stupidly strong and letting them crush late game. Older Jax w/ Zilean was common and there are probably a couple of others you can still do it with. Yorick however you can throw into almost any team with no downside. He loses lane to almost nobody and remains strong for long periods of time because of his sticking power and tankiness.

Zilean can be annoying, but he is entirely based around his ult. He gets 1 damaging ability that he can rewind to cast again. Compare that to, oh, any other AP and that is why he's simply not that good. Can zilean roam? Sure, any champ can. But just because he can doesn't mean he's good at it. He has a slow which means he can't use a speed up, unless he rewinds, which means now he's cut his own damage output in 1/2 because he's rewinding a non-damage spell.

Also, this whole conversation to begin with I don't know why you got into it. Zilean and Yorick are not worth comparing.

Well truthfully I thought the only time you see Zilean is with Vayne? since shes the strongest lategame AD by far

The comparison is because the only reason you'd pick Yorick is for his ult. I dunno why you'd want Yorick over most other top laners if he didn't have his ult. And considering Zilean ult is better than Yorick ult...

Yeah, being somebody who can consistently win lane against almost any champ sucks. Better only take Yorick for his ult.

You nuts.

Here's hoping he's unplayable next patch and this whole discussion will be moot.

Mondeezy

United States1938 Posts

July 30 2012 05:01 GMT

#2330

So, question about ranked anxiety...

Anyone else have it? I'm like, mid 1300s after dropping a couple games a month ago and still haven't had the balls to play in fear of dropping back to the depths of unranked play. What do you guys do to overcome it(especially those who are higher rated)?

Edit: I have a friend who's decent, but for some reason he's terrified of playing ranked. I don't like to ditch my friends to play solo loner status, but I would like to somehow convince him to duo again.

Ferrose

United States11378 Posts

July 30 2012 05:06 GMT

#2331

On July 30 2012 13:44 Vaporized wrote:
when crumbz first went to dignitas and top lane he looked shaky. but damn, he has improved dramatically. textbook shen play in this last game vs mtw. i think he finished 7-0-8 or something like that. really smooth.

i also enjoyed scarra's anivia build. archangel staff, warmog.

I'm also finding it interesting how Dominate gets Aegis every game on Skarner, and he doesn't seem to like Wit's and Frozen Heart too much.

Navi

5286 Posts

July 30 2012 05:08 GMT

#2332

If you think you are better than the 1200 joes go for it.
Ive never fallen below 1400 so i knew when i was at that elo i was a solid amount better than those players so i focused on improving the holes that allowed 1400 and under players to grab kills on me while securing my team the victory. For me this meant playing yi and starting 7-0 every game.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

July 30 2012 05:15 GMT

#2333

If you want to gain elo fast(sub 1200), and you significantly outclass your opponent, lane dominators/roamers/strong junglers are probably the best way to do it. Stuff like cass, renekton, graves,shyv,naut etc. Especially at lower levels, when stuff snowballs, it snowballs hard because people don't really know how to play defensively.

Also the resurgence of Skarner is pretty nice. He still deals pretty absurd damage and that permaslow is sick good.

101toss

3232 Posts

July 30 2012 05:23 GMT

#2334

Play trist and gain elo

Parnage

United States7414 Posts

July 30 2012 05:54 GMT

#2335

On July 30 2012 14:01 Mondeezy wrote:
So, question about ranked anxiety...

Anyone else have it? I'm like, mid 1300s after dropping a couple games a month ago and still haven't had the balls to play in fear of dropping back to the depths of unranked play. What do you guys do to overcome it(especially those who are higher rated)?

Edit: I have a friend who's decent, but for some reason he's terrified of playing ranked. I don't like to ditch my friends to play solo loner status, but I would like to somehow convince him to duo again.

I too have that fear. What I do work well with is motivation by either pressure or friends. Either people playing with me saying do this and we can play together or pressure of wanting to preform for either a stream or people who expect you to be able to preform at a certain level.

Other motivations include setting goals, revenge and a strong sense to win games. It really just takes the right kind of push for the person. *shrug*

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

July 30 2012 05:57 GMT

#2336

Same problem.
Exact same.

IMoperator

4476 Posts

July 30 2012 06:02 GMT

#2337

Just play normal, who cares.

jcc

United States472 Posts

July 30 2012 06:03 GMT

#2338

On July 30 2012 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Same problem.
Exact same.

Well, I had this for a while, but when you make the decision to get better you just have to stick with it. Think of each ranked game as the ability for you to gain experience in certain match ups, to learn about how different people do objectives / laning, and to show off when you get the chance. Thinking of them only as wins and losses is the core of the anxiety imo. And I know its hard to not think like that. I just breached 2100 and each win meant alot, but it helps alot to enter a game, see an udyr support pick, and think "well, guess i gotta try harder" or "Lol, thats funny, I wonder how he'll deal with that".

Just go into each ranked game looking for self benefit and the chance to grow. If you never play ranked, you never gain experience, and you will never get better (no matter how good you think you are). Ranked allows for exposure, practice, and wisdom.

And for the games that have leavers / uncarriable trolls, just say "meh", dick around, have fun till its over, then start the next one.

Also between each game go exercise a bit, or grab a quick bite to eat, talk to friends, etc, watch a youtube vid. It keeps the whole experience chill.