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On July 30 2012 08:39 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 07:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
One major issue with Zyra is her range is too big. If her range was shorter, the damage would be more reasonable, and it would put her in more danger. Since she's so squishy, it would balance out. I still believe the scaling and overall damage on her plants is way too high. See it that way: when Brand "assassinates" somebody, the damage from his pillar, ult and potentielly conflagration will do AoE damage that wouldn't kill anybody but could potentially endanger squishies and dent tanks. He's an AoE heavy damage mage. Zyra can use her full combo to kill a squishy, without her plants, and those will kill another squisher or even moderately tanky champion in the timeframe. They also benefit from rylai's slow, and deal magic damage, scaling much better in the lategame than a lot of stuff (like Heimer's turrets, Lux's or Orianna's or Ziggs' passives, etc.). I'd reduce her range, cut the damage/level on her plants, make them not benefit from rylai (apparently the plants have 0 AD, base + 0.2x Zyra's AP as AP, and a passive ability that makes them deal 1x AP as magic damage on top of their attacks, I guess rylai procs from that ability). The way I see it, make it so hitting her full combo+plants at the ready is harder, but rewards those who manage it by giving it high damage output, but failing to do so gives you under average damage. Also, the fact that you can miss a target with every spell but hit them on your seeds and still dish out a pretty huge amount of damage, especially late game (3 hits from a single plant is more or less a single target nuke), should be addressed.
Rampant Growth: If Deadly Bloom hits a seed, a Thorn Spitter grows. Thorn Spitter attacks with long range and deals magic damage.
Duration: 10 seconds
Magic Damage: 26 + (6 × level) + (0.2 per ability power)
Attack Speed 0.800
Range 825
Rampant Growth: If Grasping Roots hits a seed, a Vine Lasher grows. Vine Lasher has short ranged attack that deal magic damage and slow by 30% for 2 seconds.
Duration: 10 seconds
Magic Damage: 26 + (6 × level) + (0.2 per ability power)
Attack Speed 0.800
That what her plants do damage wise.
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Zyra is OOOOOOOOOP they're definitely gonna make the ult dmg spread out over the time before the knockup or put part of the damage with the knockup.
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Zyra needs at least level 2 to create a plant, which means 32 + 0.2 AP damage, 96 + 0.6 AP isn't exactly bad (but harder to pull off than once she's 6, obviously).
Level 9, 71 damage + 0.2 per AP. 213 + 0.6 AP is less than a lot of single target nukes, but I was talking more about later in the game (at level 15 it's 348 + 0.6 AP).
I've ended up in the range of 2 thorn spitters late game after she failed most of her spells but the only other target in range died. She didn't even meant for them to hit me, but I ate around 1300 damage in 5-6s from 2 plants because of the positioning (near nashor's pit, so unless I flashed I couldn't walk perpendicularly to get out of range faster). It was partly luck for her to cast there, partly fail on my part, but which other champion does so much damage without having even intended to?
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There has been some hilarious times where I've laid some seeds down, and the fight migrated back near them, so I ended up having a massive terror garden.
I think they should definitely remove Rylai's proc from her plants - that's the whole point to Heimer ult ~_~
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On July 30 2012 09:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There has been some hilarious times where I've laid some seeds down, and the fight migrated back near them, so I ended up having a massive terror garden.
I think they should definitely remove Rylai's proc from her plants - that's the whole point to Heimer ult ~_~
To be fair, Heimer ult is friggen aweful.
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On July 30 2012 09:08 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 09:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There has been some hilarious times where I've laid some seeds down, and the fight migrated back near them, so I ended up having a massive terror garden.
I think they should definitely remove Rylai's proc from her plants - that's the whole point to Heimer ult ~_~ To be fair, Heimer ult is friggen aweful.
that's not soniv's point
heimer needs an entire ultimate ability to get his turrets to slow - rylai doesn't work on them
zyra gets her plants to slow with just rylai AND gets a huge aoe knockup deathball ult
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On July 30 2012 09:11 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 09:08 iCanada wrote:On July 30 2012 09:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
There has been some hilarious times where I've laid some seeds down, and the fight migrated back near them, so I ended up having a massive terror garden.
I think they should definitely remove Rylai's proc from her plants - that's the whole point to Heimer ult ~_~ To be fair, Heimer ult is friggen aweful. that's not soniv's point heimer needs an entire ultimate ability to get his turrets to slow - rylai doesn't work on them zyra gets her plants to slow with just rylai AND gets a huge aoe knockup deathball ult
Yeah well, Heimer is bad.
Zyra is what Heimer SHOULD have been in the first place, design-wise
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On July 30 2012 07:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 07:20 Dark_Chill wrote:
Off-topic question, if the frame for your glasses broke, where you go to get them repaired?
Any optometrist. A lot of places will do minor repairs for free if you just walk in even if you didn't get your glasses there. If you need to replace parts might have to pay a bit.
how about you go to where you got the glasses from :D
if you got them online, you should consider getting them in a shop next time, i wear glasses every day all day and being able to get some quick fixes and repairs is invaluable.
And never bend your frame yourself, number 1 glasses killer for me as a child. Now i just go to the shop and tell them they dont fit properly anymore and the shop people fix it in 5 minutes.
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Well just looking at zyra, her plants deal 134 damage each at level 18, with a base attack speed of .8, increasing to 1.2 off her ult. They don't get affected by frozen heart.
Her Q plants also have that 825 range (higher than end game tristana).
Heimer has 62 damage turrets
with a base attack speed of 1.25
increasing by 50% for 6 seconds after being created
and each turret has 525 range
and they apply 50% splash (I keep forgetting about this)
Now heimer's turrets have to be placed at a shorter range opening him up to more damage
Zyra has less choice of where to place her turrets as she has to use a spell to make them
They cost an ability, whereas zyras can be cast with a damaging spell. Zyra's W doesn't seem to do anything impressive but Heimer's R only increases the effectiveness of his other skills
Zyra's plants only last 10 seconds while heimer's last forever
Zyra can make more than 2 plants at a time and they do less damage when more are attacking the same target (25% reduction)
Heimer's turrets look weaker overall. Normally I don't like comparing two champions as they are vastly different but Zyra and Heimer's things are that they both make turrets.
Zyra's passive seems a lot better than heimers. ~550 true damage line nuke on death vs 25 health regen in 400 radius.
I'll have to try Zyra out to see if she's OP, but I don't like riot releasing two champions whose main differentiator from other champions is the same thing.
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'k I'm playing against a Zya knowing what he's doing right now. She's def OP as fuck.
Yep. You can't crush her seeds before something like 2s, you can't stop her from zoning.
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Yorick is so good. LOL. Ult your carry , pewpew ezezez
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On July 30 2012 09:54 Kouda wrote:
Yorick is so good. LOL. Ult your carry , pewpew ezezez
The only thing that doesn't make Yorick broken as fuck is so few people play him. I think everybody knows how stupid he is and they just don't want to contribute to his use.
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On July 30 2012 09:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 09:54 Kouda wrote:
Yorick is so good. LOL. Ult your carry , pewpew ezezez
The only thing that doesn't make Yorick broken as fuck is so few people play him. I think everybody knows how stupid he is and they just don't want to contribute to his use.
Exactly. He's also not fun at all to play.. at least not for me.
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On July 30 2012 09:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 09:54 Kouda wrote:
Yorick is so good. LOL. Ult your carry , pewpew ezezez
The only thing that doesn't make Yorick broken as fuck is so few people play him. I think everybody knows how stupid he is and they just don't want to contribute to his use.
I don't think Yorick is anymore OP than Zilean. In fact, I think that if I wanted to run Yorick just for his ult I'd rather run Zilean. I mean, Zilean ult is arguably better, Zilean has more utility, and Zilean lane is honestly safer than Yorick lane (even though Yorick is obviously a super safe lane).
As for Zyra, she seems really strong right now. I dunno if she's truly OP yet or not but I don't think it'll matter as she's probably gonna get nerfed regardless.
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But Yorick Ult gives your carry 10 seconds of free fire because he does not have to care about dying, and people always ignore the ghosted carry after his first death.
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On July 30 2012 10:09 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 09:59 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On July 30 2012 09:54 Kouda wrote:
Yorick is so good. LOL. Ult your carry , pewpew ezezez
The only thing that doesn't make Yorick broken as fuck is so few people play him. I think everybody knows how stupid he is and they just don't want to contribute to his use. I don't think Yorick is anymore OP than Zilean. In fact, I think that if I wanted to run Yorick just for his ult I'd rather run Zilean. I mean, Zilean ult is arguably better, Zilean has more utility, and Zilean lane is honestly safer than Yorick lane (even though Yorick is obviously a super safe lane). As for Zyra, she seems really strong right now. I dunno if she's truly OP yet or not but I don't think it'll matter as she's probably gonna get nerfed regardless.
Yorick's ult has very little to do with what makes him ridiculous and it's still really, really good. Zilean's lane is safe; you're right. But his late game isn't good. From an AP mid you simply can't have one that does so little damage late game. He also doesn't facilitate ganks or roam particularly well.
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On July 30 2012 06:26 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 03:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I'm really excited about Diana as a jungler.
I'm saving up for a Day 1 buy. anyone who isn't sitting around with a ton of IP in their account is obviously Doing It Wrong I mean, think about it: - Assume you've been playing for long enough that you have all the runes/runepages/non-champ items you need, as well as a set of champs that allow you to play any role required of you effectively, so there's no *need* to spend IP as soon as you get it.
- Riot regularly reduces the IP cost for champions-- at more or less a rate of one reduction every two months over the last year, with an average overall reduction of ~4k IP.
- The current total cost of all the champions in the game is something like 410k IP-- so that means that your IP's purchasing power goes up by like 1% every two months!
- As a matter of fact, the less champions you own, the more likely it is that those price reductions actually affect you.
Therefore, the best IP Investment Strategy is to finish runes first, buy as few champions as you possibly can (ideally only sticking to the ones whose prices have already been reduced), and just save the rest while getting sick theoretical effective returns of ~0.12% per week on all that hoarded IP.
I've only been playing LoL since February.
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What? Zilean does crazy single target damage in mid game and can either speed up someone with CC or greatly slow down an enemy. He's an excellent ganker and a good wave clearer. I mean with proper use of rewind you have 5 seconds of a 55% speed up or slow down as Zilean assuming your E is only at level 1. At level 2 E it's 6 seconds of speed up/slow down. Hell you can, and players do, speed themselves up and slow down an enemy while double bombing them. I don't see how Zilean could be considered as not being good at roaming or ganking.
Zilean ult gives a carry 7 seconds in which the enemy team doesn't want to attack them. And then, if they do attack them, it'll revive them with a pretty sizeable chunk of health.
Zilean definitely not as good in solo queue, I'll give you that. But with a team built around him he's incredibly strong. Definitely better to have than Yorick in arranged 5s. Granted, they're two separate roles but if I wanted to run a "revive our super carry" I'd much rather run Zilean than Yorick.
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Zilean Yorick Anivia all in same team, all with G.A's its genius
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On July 30 2012 10:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
Zilean Yorick Anivia all in same team, all with G.A's its genius
You have just predicted M5's next LAN strategy.
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