EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page…
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On July 30 2012 03:59 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm really excited about Diana as a jungler. I'm saving up for a Day 1 buy. anyone who isn't sitting around with a ton of IP in their account is obviously Doing It Wrong I mean, think about it:
Therefore, the best IP Investment Strategy is to finish runes first, buy as few champions as you possibly can (ideally only sticking to the ones whose prices have already been reduced), and just save the rest while getting sick theoretical effective returns of ~0.12% per week on all that hoarded IP. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:21 AsnSensation wrote: Scarra rly showing the power of zyra, I've played about 10 games with her and I think she's a viable ap mid, sick dmg but I wouldnt say that shes OP like all the twitch fanboys claim lol. She only unleashes her full dmg(+sustain dmg) when she hits her root and although it has fairly long range a competent player shouldnt be hit by it constantly. Zyra is 100% OP just because she does as much damage as other top AP mids while providing infinitely more CC. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Zyra is 100% OP just because she does as much damage as other top AP mids while providing infinitely more CC. Her CC isn't that amazing. It's her damage + range that's too high. She bursts for about 25-30% more than she should in early fights. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On July 30 2012 05:52 Shadowpostin wrote: Just because it's free I'm not allowed to criticize their commentary lol? I kill the stream every time there isn't a game going on because of these 2,I would imagine a tournament would want their viewers to stick around the whole time to get higher add revenue. Good thing no one said anything to NASL about their sound guy because it was free to watch.Oh,wait. This is not the place to criticize casters for a tournament. It contributes nothing to the GD thread and will have no bearing on their future casting for TSM. TSM on the other hand has a website of their own to provide feedback. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:35 Requizen wrote: I haven't played her, but do people find Zyra more difficult to play than other mids? She's all skillshots, and you have to have good zone awareness for her plants to be 100% effective, but she seems to have a really good win rate from what I've seen. I don't know if that's because she's good/easy or if she's just hard to play against. Her "skillshots" are aren't hard to hit at all.I'd actually say it's too easy for such a long range champ. Her cast time/animations are fast as hell and she can unload faster than anyone I can think off. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Zyra is 100% OP just because she does as much damage as other top AP mids while providing infinitely more CC. I think she actually bursts harder than a lot of them because I've seen non-fed Zyra's 100-0 junglers who get caught. 875+1.8AP+(134+.2AP)*#hits is her whole combo. Base damage not including plants is around baseline for AP's, but including plants goes up pretty drastically. Most people I've seen using kill combos use 2 plants, and if they get off 2 hits each, I think it's more damage than a morg combo(could be wrong). | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
no problem, get ganked, garen-tee you get a kill with your passive even if you die you can make everything 1 for 1 with her early-game plants are just a nice bonus to her ridiculous range and cc and damage lategame plants are stronger than champs, you can shred enemy tanks to half before a fight even starts if you set up some zone control around baron/objectives she's one of the strongest champs to be released in quite some time | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Hecarim is good. He's not banworthy. If you prefer Skarner/Mundo/Udyr et al. awesome. It's not like Riot awards bonus IP/RP for whoever wins the "best jungler not permbanned" competition. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:26 Eiii wrote: anyone who isn't sitting around with a ton of IP in their account is obviously Doing It Wrong I mean, think about it:
Therefore, the best IP Investment Strategy is to finish runes first, buy as few champions as you possibly can (ideally only sticking to the ones whose prices have already been reduced), and just save the rest while getting sick theoretical effective returns of ~0.12% per week on all that hoarded IP. I've been playing for almost 2 years and the closest ive got to having every champion was like 6 or 7. they started coming out too fast and became way too expensive to get them all.(esp once they reduced the amount of ip you get a game forever ago) On July 30 2012 06:42 Amui wrote: I think she actually bursts harder than a lot of them because I've seen non-fed Zyra's 100-0 junglers who get caught. 875+1.8AP+(134+.2AP)*#hits is her whole combo. Base damage not including plants is around baseline for AP's, but including plants goes up pretty drastically. Most people I've seen using kill combos use 2 plants, and if they get off 2 hits each, I think it's more damage than a morg combo(could be wrong). its almost like 99% of other mids arent skillshot champions either I do got all the good runes though. | ||
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askTeivospy
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On July 30 2012 06:21 AsnSensation wrote: Scarra rly showing the power of zyra, I've played about 10 games with her and I think she's a viable ap mid, sick dmg but I wouldnt say that shes OP like all the twitch fanboys claim lol. She only unleashes her full dmg(+sustain dmg) when she hits her root and although it has fairly long range a competent player shouldnt be hit by it constantly. just because you call them twitch fanboys doesn't mean your opinion is true and better than theirs IMO zyra is clearly OP, so much damage accompanied by the CC and zone control. You should have one or the other not both Also a lot of competent players get hit by other competent player's abilities regardless of champion. I don't understand your post | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
edit: IMO ( lol) this is just Darius all over again, remember how many people already screamed OPOPOP after seeing the champ spotlight or reading what his ult does? How often do you see Darius these days and he hasnt even been nerfed yet. ( I consider the change on the ult a fix) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 30 2012 06:21 AsnSensation wrote: Scarra rly showing the power of zyra, I've played about 10 games with her and I think she's a viable ap mid, sick dmg but I wouldnt say that shes OP like all the twitch fanboys claim lol. She only unleashes her full dmg(+sustain dmg) when she hits her root and although it has fairly long range a competent player shouldnt be hit by it constantly. I can say with 100% certainty that Zyra is OP. Maybe not by a ton, but enough to be noticeable. Her scaling is too high. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 30 2012 07:10 AsnSensation wrote: i call them fanboys because they only write OMG ZYRA OP because scarra is beating TSM with it and if you come with that argument, in which way would your argument of zyra being op be any more viable than mine? Zyra has been called OP since release. Why do you think Scarra picked her 3 times in a row? | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Back on topic, I can sort of see Zyra as one of those reward for high skill champs, but the reward was put too high, and it's a little too easy to get. Her full combo damage is something you would not expect when you first play against her. Her snare is not incredibly hard to hit, and when you do get hit, it's over. I think her cc is fine really, but her damage should be toned down a bit. | ||
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