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On July 14 2012 06:01 Dark_Chill wrote:In all seriousness, does the GP change really help him in what he needed? He still has to choose between last hitting and harassing, and harassing still costs a load of mana. It seems like he'll still be bullied a lot in lane.
Helps him tons. Q cost has been ridiculous, even with a philostone it was easy to run out of mana for anything but oranges. It hasn't been a good tool for harassment since the crit mastery was removed, and certainly not after the mana cost was increased. Now he can sit back and passively farm much more effectively (which is about all he can do these days against non-squishes-at least until he gets a sufficient amount of farm).
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On July 14 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:On July 14 2012 04:09 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 14 2012 03:33 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 03:23 koreasilver wrote:
What happened to that new aoe ult for Eve? I guess it got scrapped. It's still in, and it's kind of insane from what I hear. You do AoE damage based on % health and get shield (I think 300 at max rank) per person hit, so 1500 health shield at max rank if you hit all 5. New Eve Ult in testing was hilar imba. It should be toned down a bit, but you'll find it very "ultimate feeling". Interesting counterplay involved with her now as well. Can work top and jungle, although jungle is a more obvious role. For those worrying about new Xin, he's possibly the scariest of the newest remakes. Was tested multiple times, and with 2k+ Elo input too. Initially wrecked face a lot. Should not be a one-man army any more. Hopefully. Re PBE: Accounts are free, you start off with 50k IP and RP. Get an additional amount of IP and RP each fortnight. Think I still have my initial PBE Account which should have a million IP and RP each. You don't get rune, rune pages or champions unlocked initially, but you should have enough free IP/RP to just buy and test whatever you feel like. If I may ask, what is so strong about Xin now? Aside from the knockback (which is really nice, don't get me wrong) and the arpen passive (also nice), it doesn't look like his kit has changed a whole lot. Old passive moved to W, no baseline AS steroid, CDR moved to Q. Am I missing something that buffed him so much? Cooldowns. New Q has a 9-5s cooldown, versus 10 flat on old Q. New W has a 16-11s second cooldown, versus 24-16s. New E has a 13-9s cooldown, versus 16-12s. Basically they took all the cooldown reduction Xin got from attacking super fast and baked it into his abilities. This is a fundamentally good change because it means Xin no longer has to worry about both CDR and attack speed, but can focus on the former. It also makes it a lot easier for Riot to balance because they don't have to worry about Xin Zhao being unable to afford the attack speed to abuse the crap out of people. That said, I am having the most hellish time trying to break my old E->Q->W instinct. Ah, I see. So basically it gives less incentive to build CDR and lets you build other stuff, as well as just having it up more often. Cool cool, will be nice to see him in games again. Actually you have quite a large incentive to build CDR. Capped New Xin reaches a point where you can chain Q and E together very nicely, and W is up permanently. What you don't need is Attack Speed, which was required for Old Xin to really become a chain CC/ability spamming beast.
Hm, I guess I didn't really understand it that well. See, this is why I wait for guides :\
Do you think his jungle will be better or worse with this? Obviously losing the passive AS boost hurts, as does the healing nerf (I'm guessing, I see 26 + AP scaling in the infographic and currently it's 25 growing with level), but if what you're saying is true, his ganks will probably be very nice with a Bruta and something else (maybe Kindlegem/Shureliya?). Will wait to see.
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On July 14 2012 06:20 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:On July 14 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:On July 14 2012 04:09 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 14 2012 03:33 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 03:23 koreasilver wrote:
What happened to that new aoe ult for Eve? I guess it got scrapped. It's still in, and it's kind of insane from what I hear. You do AoE damage based on % health and get shield (I think 300 at max rank) per person hit, so 1500 health shield at max rank if you hit all 5. New Eve Ult in testing was hilar imba. It should be toned down a bit, but you'll find it very "ultimate feeling". Interesting counterplay involved with her now as well. Can work top and jungle, although jungle is a more obvious role. For those worrying about new Xin, he's possibly the scariest of the newest remakes. Was tested multiple times, and with 2k+ Elo input too. Initially wrecked face a lot. Should not be a one-man army any more. Hopefully. Re PBE: Accounts are free, you start off with 50k IP and RP. Get an additional amount of IP and RP each fortnight. Think I still have my initial PBE Account which should have a million IP and RP each. You don't get rune, rune pages or champions unlocked initially, but you should have enough free IP/RP to just buy and test whatever you feel like. If I may ask, what is so strong about Xin now? Aside from the knockback (which is really nice, don't get me wrong) and the arpen passive (also nice), it doesn't look like his kit has changed a whole lot. Old passive moved to W, no baseline AS steroid, CDR moved to Q. Am I missing something that buffed him so much? Cooldowns. New Q has a 9-5s cooldown, versus 10 flat on old Q. New W has a 16-11s second cooldown, versus 24-16s. New E has a 13-9s cooldown, versus 16-12s. Basically they took all the cooldown reduction Xin got from attacking super fast and baked it into his abilities. This is a fundamentally good change because it means Xin no longer has to worry about both CDR and attack speed, but can focus on the former. It also makes it a lot easier for Riot to balance because they don't have to worry about Xin Zhao being unable to afford the attack speed to abuse the crap out of people. That said, I am having the most hellish time trying to break my old E->Q->W instinct. Ah, I see. So basically it gives less incentive to build CDR and lets you build other stuff, as well as just having it up more often. Cool cool, will be nice to see him in games again. Actually you have quite a large incentive to build CDR. Capped New Xin reaches a point where you can chain Q and E together very nicely, and W is up permanently. What you don't need is Attack Speed, which was required for Old Xin to really become a chain CC/ability spamming beast. Hm, I guess I didn't really understand it that well. See, this is why I wait for guides :\ Do you think his jungle will be better or worse with this? Obviously losing the passive AS boost hurts, as does the healing nerf (I'm guessing, I see 26 + AP scaling in the infographic and currently it's 25 growing with level), but if what you're saying is true, his ganks will probably be very nice with a Bruta and something else (maybe Kindlegem/Shureliya?). Will wait to see.
Would you be maxing Battle cry now? seems like some hefty sustain in the jangle. But maxing Q since it's cd goes down seems pretty good now too
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On July 14 2012 05:56 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:50 mordek wrote:On July 14 2012 05:48 Mystogun wrote:On July 14 2012 05:45 Perplex wrote:On July 14 2012 05:43 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 05:05 SoulSever wrote:
Does anyone else feel that TL LoL has a disproportionate number of lurkers compared to posters mainly due to the fact that people are scared to say something that may incur the wrath of the "TL LoL gods"? Every post is read by just about every high elo player on TL and once you get ridiculed once by these posters nothing you ever say will be taken seriously again. Around page 70 there was an alarming number of "fuck off"s in a lot of the posts. I happen to like most of the high tier players on TL and their posts but I do wish more people would include themselves in the discussion, myself included.
I'm only a 1400 player but I feel like my knowledge of the game is pretty deep but because someone like Haz, Req, Craton, Seuss or others might tell me I know nothing, I keep it all to myself Wait wat. Why am I on there, I don't know shit about this game and am 1200. If I ever tell anyone they don't know what they're talking about and act high and mighty about anything, feel free to call me out on it and tell me I'm a bitch. That is, until I hit gold huehuehue don't worry, i'll still hold you to that when you're gold  :D Oddly, this discussion reminded me of someone saying they were going to make another TL team thread for TL C? Since it's impossible to get anyone to talk on LP NA I think that was PrinceXizor XD that was me and someone elsr
Yeah sorry looks like it was Perplex. It all got jumbled together.
PrinceXizor United States. June 29 2012 07:54. Posts 2263 PM Profile Blog Quote # Show nested quote +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On June 29 2012 07:50 Perplex wrote:
I would LOVE to have TL inhouses.. there are always a ton of people in Liquidparty and there are a ton of people posting here everyday, but no one says anything in liquidparty ever:\ I used to post in there asking if someone needed a duo-que partner or wanted to play draft normals, but I never got any replies.
Liquidparty inhouses, let's make it happen! Maybe we can coordinate a scheduled time in which everyone logs on with the goal being to get in house games going. I'd be willing to make a thread and manage it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this would make me happy.
For the record I think a more active LP on NA and inhouse "team" would be awesome. Get some constructive feedback in a game maybe :O ^^
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On July 14 2012 06:30 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:56 Bladeorade wrote:On July 14 2012 05:50 mordek wrote:On July 14 2012 05:48 Mystogun wrote:On July 14 2012 05:45 Perplex wrote:On July 14 2012 05:43 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 05:05 SoulSever wrote:
Does anyone else feel that TL LoL has a disproportionate number of lurkers compared to posters mainly due to the fact that people are scared to say something that may incur the wrath of the "TL LoL gods"? Every post is read by just about every high elo player on TL and once you get ridiculed once by these posters nothing you ever say will be taken seriously again. Around page 70 there was an alarming number of "fuck off"s in a lot of the posts. I happen to like most of the high tier players on TL and their posts but I do wish more people would include themselves in the discussion, myself included.
I'm only a 1400 player but I feel like my knowledge of the game is pretty deep but because someone like Haz, Req, Craton, Seuss or others might tell me I know nothing, I keep it all to myself Wait wat. Why am I on there, I don't know shit about this game and am 1200. If I ever tell anyone they don't know what they're talking about and act high and mighty about anything, feel free to call me out on it and tell me I'm a bitch. That is, until I hit gold huehuehue don't worry, i'll still hold you to that when you're gold :D Oddly, this discussion reminded me of someone saying they were going to make another TL team thread for TL C? Since it's impossible to get anyone to talk on LP NA I think that was PrinceXizor XD that was me and someone elsr Yeah sorry looks like it was Perplex. It all got jumbled together. Show nested quote + PrinceXizor United States. June 29 2012 07:54. Posts 2263 PM Profile Blog Quote # --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On June 29 2012 07:50 Perplex wrote:
I would LOVE to have TL inhouses.. there are always a ton of people in Liquidparty and there are a ton of people posting here everyday, but no one says anything in liquidparty ever:\ I used to post in there asking if someone needed a duo-que partner or wanted to play draft normals, but I never got any replies.
Liquidparty inhouses, let's make it happen! Maybe we can coordinate a scheduled time in which everyone logs on with the goal being to get in house games going. I'd be willing to make a thread and manage it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this would make me happy. For the record I think a more active LP on NA and inhouse "team" would be awesome. Get some constructive feedback in a game maybe :O ^^
Go look on the front page right now :o
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On July 14 2012 05:53 Slusher wrote:Xizor isn't your average 14 yo snotty kid troll, he mixes in just enough good ideas to mask his trail in between the posts obviously meant to press peoples hot buttons. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:52 Arekan wrote:
Something I've been wanting to ask is about the viability of Deathfire Grasp on certain champions other than the obvious ones like Veigar and Leblanc. After using it on a few champions, I've come to really like it on Gragas and AP Janna in particular. Since in laning phase the likelihood of getting in range to use DFG is pretty good (Gragas having to melee last hit and DFG having a longer range than Janna's W) I feel like that added burst combined with a well timed gank would make for a much easier time in winning the lane. Any thoughts? Pretty sure it's core on ap janna. I also like it on LuLu.
It's not as effective as on Veigar, but I'd say its decent for most AP supports and some junglers since it builds out of a gp5. Plus, it makes you that much more of a threat in a teamfight.
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On July 14 2012 06:43 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:53 Slusher wrote:Xizor isn't your average 14 yo snotty kid troll, he mixes in just enough good ideas to mask his trail in between the posts obviously meant to press peoples hot buttons. On July 14 2012 05:52 Arekan wrote:
Something I've been wanting to ask is about the viability of Deathfire Grasp on certain champions other than the obvious ones like Veigar and Leblanc. After using it on a few champions, I've come to really like it on Gragas and AP Janna in particular. Since in laning phase the likelihood of getting in range to use DFG is pretty good (Gragas having to melee last hit and DFG having a longer range than Janna's W) I feel like that added burst combined with a well timed gank would make for a much easier time in winning the lane. Any thoughts? Pretty sure it's core on ap janna. I also like it on LuLu. It's not as effective as on Veigar, but I'd say its decent for most AP supports and some junglers since it builds out of a gp5. Plus, it makes you that much more of a threat in a teamfight.
Yeah it's pretty nice on most AP supports as that AP/CDR item you sometimes need (more often in blind pick than draft). I build it if we are missing burst or some guy always dives me instead of the carry, as we can just smack him down fast. In some games I find the new morello's to be better though for an AP/CDR support item as the antiheal active is great if you just have 1 team ignite and that dude sucks balls.
I've built it on Taric, Soraka etc as well as the previosly mentioneds. Just try to plan ahead for it so you don't get CDR boots AND shurelya's before and then land on 40+% CDR, wasting stats.
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I was talking about lulu mid, but I have built it bottom on occasion, it's kinda selfish tho.
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Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's.
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On July 14 2012 06:27 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:20 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:14 Seuss wrote:On July 14 2012 05:42 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:33 Seuss wrote:On July 14 2012 04:09 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 04:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On July 14 2012 03:33 Requizen wrote:On July 14 2012 03:23 koreasilver wrote:
What happened to that new aoe ult for Eve? I guess it got scrapped. It's still in, and it's kind of insane from what I hear. You do AoE damage based on % health and get shield (I think 300 at max rank) per person hit, so 1500 health shield at max rank if you hit all 5. New Eve Ult in testing was hilar imba. It should be toned down a bit, but you'll find it very "ultimate feeling". Interesting counterplay involved with her now as well. Can work top and jungle, although jungle is a more obvious role. For those worrying about new Xin, he's possibly the scariest of the newest remakes. Was tested multiple times, and with 2k+ Elo input too. Initially wrecked face a lot. Should not be a one-man army any more. Hopefully. Re PBE: Accounts are free, you start off with 50k IP and RP. Get an additional amount of IP and RP each fortnight. Think I still have my initial PBE Account which should have a million IP and RP each. You don't get rune, rune pages or champions unlocked initially, but you should have enough free IP/RP to just buy and test whatever you feel like. If I may ask, what is so strong about Xin now? Aside from the knockback (which is really nice, don't get me wrong) and the arpen passive (also nice), it doesn't look like his kit has changed a whole lot. Old passive moved to W, no baseline AS steroid, CDR moved to Q. Am I missing something that buffed him so much? Cooldowns. New Q has a 9-5s cooldown, versus 10 flat on old Q. New W has a 16-11s second cooldown, versus 24-16s. New E has a 13-9s cooldown, versus 16-12s. Basically they took all the cooldown reduction Xin got from attacking super fast and baked it into his abilities. This is a fundamentally good change because it means Xin no longer has to worry about both CDR and attack speed, but can focus on the former. It also makes it a lot easier for Riot to balance because they don't have to worry about Xin Zhao being unable to afford the attack speed to abuse the crap out of people. That said, I am having the most hellish time trying to break my old E->Q->W instinct. Ah, I see. So basically it gives less incentive to build CDR and lets you build other stuff, as well as just having it up more often. Cool cool, will be nice to see him in games again. Actually you have quite a large incentive to build CDR. Capped New Xin reaches a point where you can chain Q and E together very nicely, and W is up permanently. What you don't need is Attack Speed, which was required for Old Xin to really become a chain CC/ability spamming beast. Hm, I guess I didn't really understand it that well. See, this is why I wait for guides :\ Do you think his jungle will be better or worse with this? Obviously losing the passive AS boost hurts, as does the healing nerf (I'm guessing, I see 26 + AP scaling in the infographic and currently it's 25 growing with level), but if what you're saying is true, his ganks will probably be very nice with a Bruta and something else (maybe Kindlegem/Shureliya?). Will wait to see. Would you be maxing Battle cry now? seems like some hefty sustain in the jangle. But maxing Q since it's cd goes down seems pretty good now too
Keep maxing Audacious Charge. You get 26 health every third hit for having one point in Battle Cry, and each subsequent point only increases that by a pathetic 6. You'll max Q second so that you hit your QE chaining sweetspot sooner.
In terms of actual jungle effectiveness, he's probably about the same. His first clear feels a little slower but I haven't done extensive testing because the PBE is still 4 people per custom game.
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skarnold trump (xevious here i believe) is on oddones stream atm (on the other team) i think he just went unstoppable on naut.
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On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's.
Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP
It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback.
I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item.
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On July 14 2012 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's. Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback. I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item.
I don't think anyone needs to rush grail. It's got a nice additional passive on chalice though so maybe I'm wrong and people who get kills and run out of mana like it.
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It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.
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On July 14 2012 07:45 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's. Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback. I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item. I don't think anyone needs to rush grail. It's got a nice additional passive on chalice though so maybe I'm wrong and people who get kills and run out of mana like it.
In my opinion, AUG, Morello and DFG are kind of a family of 3 items.
Morello and DFG build out of Kage's. Morello to me is alright, but I don't find myself using its passive very much-- however, that might be because I suck. DFG gives supports who don't do much damage the ability to do some-- a 25% nuke is not to be underestimated.
On the other hand is AUG. It builds from a FC, which is actually one of my favorite items in the game. This is how its kind of related to Morello's. It gives more mana regen, more AP and some MR. This essentially allows you to beat the other support b/c you can spam more, do more damage and take less than them. However, it doesn't build out of Kage's which means you lose the gp5.
So in the end I rarely build Morello's. When winning I go AUG, when losing I go DFG. AUG lets me snowball a bit, DFG lets me try and make back some of the gold differential and do needed damage.
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On July 14 2012 05:20 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:13 SoulSever wrote:
I'm saying the manner in which all the veteran posters challenge things is very deterring to people who seldom post the people who typically receive the ire of the 'TL LoL gods', as you put it, are almost always the ones who belligerently try to defend themselves and essentially treat all criticisms as personal attacks and then try to become martyrs. I for one, find the discussion on this board to be very thought provoking sometimes, and just a generally cool place to hang out. I think the people that I described are pretty far and few between *cough* jazriel *cough*.
look at shikyo, his thinking is very out there but his attitude is nothing like jazriel or xizor's so nobody minds. Those kinds of guys are trying to Tell You How It Is or maybe are just trolling outright, but if that isn't your agenda there isn't really a problem. The only guy I think really enjoys just crushing some dude is smash (how dare you tell me how to play xin?!) and I've only seen that like two, maybe three times... in years.
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On July 14 2012 08:03 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:45 obesechicken13 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's. Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback. I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item. I don't think anyone needs to rush grail. It's got a nice additional passive on chalice though so maybe I'm wrong and people who get kills and run out of mana like it. In my opinion, AUG, Morello and DFG are kind of a family of 3 items. Morello and DFG build out of Kage's. Morello to me is alright, but I don't find myself using its passive very much-- however, that might be because I suck. DFG gives supports who don't do much damage the ability to do some-- a 25% nuke is not to be underestimated. On the other hand is AUG. It builds from a FC, which is actually one of my favorite items in the game. This is how its kind of related to Morello's. It gives more mana regen, more AP and some MR. This essentially allows you to beat the other support b/c you can spam more, do more damage and take less than them. However, it doesn't build out of Kage's which means you lose the gp5. So in the end I rarely build Morello's. When winning I go AUG, when losing I go DFG. AUG lets me snowball a bit, DFG lets me try and make back some of the gold differential and do needed damage.
Morello against Swain is pretty powerful.
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On July 14 2012 03:51 Alaric wrote:But you can't cast visions on towers.  E: I think it was mentioned here sometimes, does anyone know why certain streams start lagging like mad at the beginning of a game? For the first few minutes, whatever the resolution the sound is kinda fine but the image is a slideshow.
I didn't see if anyone answered your question, but I think I know the answer.
Some streaming programs dynamically adjust your bitrate based on the amount of changes happening on the screen. Basically, the more things that are changing on screen means you use up more bandwidth. Conversely, a more "static" screen means you use much less bitrate. That makes the stream less stressful on your connection and your viewers.
This is what you see with a League player who is sitting in queue for 15-25 minutes. The screen through that period, picks, and loading is relatively static. At least compared to when the game is actually going on. Once the game starts up, the streamer needs to start pushing a ton more bitrate to communicate the changes on screen. The streaming program is slowly ramping things up but it takes a while for things to equalize out between the streamer and the viewers.
Day[9] has this issue with his dailies all the time. He shows a static logo for 15 minutes with music, then his stream lags for a little bit once he starts the daily. He's told his viewers time and again to just give it a minute and it equalizes out.
Besides connection issues that can cause lag, that's the one, mostly unavoidable source of lag that would be almost exclusively at the start of games.
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On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.
Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.
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On July 14 2012 08:04 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:20 barbsq wrote:On July 14 2012 05:13 SoulSever wrote:
I'm saying the manner in which all the veteran posters challenge things is very deterring to people who seldom post the people who typically receive the ire of the 'TL LoL gods', as you put it, are almost always the ones who belligerently try to defend themselves and essentially treat all criticisms as personal attacks and then try to become martyrs. I for one, find the discussion on this board to be very thought provoking sometimes, and just a generally cool place to hang out. I think the people that I described are pretty far and few between *cough* jazriel *cough*. look at shikyo, his thinking is very out there but his attitude is nothing like jazriel or xizor's so nobody minds. Those kinds of guys are trying to Tell You How It Is or maybe are just trolling outright, but if that isn't your agenda there isn't really a problem. The only guy I think really enjoys just crushing some dude is smash (how dare you tell me how to play xin?!) and I've only seen that like two, maybe three times... in years.
Yeah, but Smash has earned that right!
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