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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
July 13 2012 23:22 GMT
#1801
bought one of each doran item then called akali autistic and spammed an emote that looked like he was humping her


tribunal da best.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
July 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#1802
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
July 13 2012 23:41 GMT
#1803
wow cho'gath jungles a fucking beast, clears fast op sustain great ganks really tanky
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
July 13 2012 23:41 GMT
#1804
As a guy who jungles a lot I can tell that happens often. Mid users take a lot of time to come and take it comestimes - _-
Moderator<:3-/-<
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
July 13 2012 23:41 GMT
#1805
On July 14 2012 08:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:45 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's.


Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP

It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback.

I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item.

I don't think anyone needs to rush grail. It's got a nice additional passive on chalice though so maybe I'm wrong and people who get kills and run out of mana like it.


In my opinion, AUG, Morello and DFG are kind of a family of 3 items.

Morello and DFG build out of Kage's. Morello to me is alright, but I don't find myself using its passive very much-- however, that might be because I suck. DFG gives supports who don't do much damage the ability to do some-- a 25% nuke is not to be underestimated.

On the other hand is AUG. It builds from a FC, which is actually one of my favorite items in the game. This is how its kind of related to Morello's. It gives more mana regen, more AP and some MR. This essentially allows you to beat the other support b/c you can spam more, do more damage and take less than them. However, it doesn't build out of Kage's which means you lose the gp5.

So in the end I rarely build Morello's. When winning I go AUG, when losing I go DFG. AUG lets me snowball a bit, DFG lets me try and make back some of the gold differential and do needed damage.


Morello against Swain is pretty powerful.


I think it's overrated. Even without his healing, it's very hard for you to outtrade Swain because of his high damage. The best bet is to just go all in against swain and burst him down, in which case you'll have ignite. I'd rather not invest the gold in the Morello's since you're still not gonna outtrade Swain with the healing debuff just cause of his sheer damage.
TranslatorBaa!
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
July 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#1806
On July 14 2012 08:30 Mystogun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?


MID PLAYERS KNOW THIS PAIN MAN IF IT'S NOT BLADED ARMOR IT'S FUCKING RED BUFF
TranslatorBaa!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#1807
On July 14 2012 08:09 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 03:51 Alaric wrote:
But you can't cast visions on towers.

E: I think it was mentioned here sometimes, does anyone know why certain streams start lagging like mad at the beginning of a game? For the first few minutes, whatever the resolution the sound is kinda fine but the image is a slideshow.


I didn't see if anyone answered your question, but I think I know the answer.

Some streaming programs dynamically adjust your bitrate based on the amount of changes happening on the screen. Basically, the more things that are changing on screen means you use up more bandwidth. Conversely, a more "static" screen means you use much less bitrate. That makes the stream less stressful on your connection and your viewers.

This is what you see with a League player who is sitting in queue for 15-25 minutes. The screen through that period, picks, and loading is relatively static. At least compared to when the game is actually going on. Once the game starts up, the streamer needs to start pushing a ton more bitrate to communicate the changes on screen. The streaming program is slowly ramping things up but it takes a while for things to equalize out between the streamer and the viewers.

Day[9] has this issue with his dailies all the time. He shows a static logo for 15 minutes with music, then his stream lags for a little bit once he starts the daily. He's told his viewers time and again to just give it a minute and it equalizes out.

Besides connection issues that can cause lag, that's the one, mostly unavoidable source of lag that would be almost exclusively at the start of games.

Thanks!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
July 13 2012 23:54 GMT
#1808
On July 14 2012 08:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:30 Mystogun wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?


MID PLAYERS KNOW THIS PAIN MAN IF IT'S NOT BLADED ARMOR IT'S FUCKING RED BUFF

Mid players who also jungle don't have this problem because they know to avoid it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Logrus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States228 Posts
July 13 2012 23:56 GMT
#1809
On July 14 2012 08:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:30 Mystogun wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?


MID PLAYERS KNOW THIS PAIN MAN IF IT'S NOT BLADED ARMOR IT'S FUCKING RED BUFF


I just don't take bladed armor on anyone anymore
"Down, down into the pile, into the great slag heap, window onto the ends of time and space, where nothing is to be seen at the end, I went, between walls forever afire, never burnt down..." -Merlin, Prince of Chaos
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 14 2012 00:00 GMT
#1810
This used to be a problem until mid players started to develop half a brain and learned to estimate their burst better.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#1811
On July 14 2012 08:22 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
bought one of each doran item then called akali autistic and spammed an emote that looked like he was humping her


tribunal da best.

that ones pretty good, baha
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 00:14:24
July 14 2012 00:13 GMT
#1812
On July 14 2012 08:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:45 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Meh, I've been having some serious thoughts about DFG. I don't think it's that great tbh, what it does it allows not very good AP's, to be okayish AP's.


Haha that's a very good way of putting it. An added nuke is never bad though xP

It's definitely a very niche item, with a few champs that it's core on, but it has to compete with a million other AP items for a position in your build which is its main drawback.

I dont' think DFG is inherently bad, it's just that roa/hat/rylai/hourglass/grail/etc etc are all vying for a position in your lineup and DFG is not always the best item.

I don't think anyone needs to rush grail. It's got a nice additional passive on chalice though so maybe I'm wrong and people who get kills and run out of mana like it.


In my opinion, AUG, Morello and DFG are kind of a family of 3 items.

Morello and DFG build out of Kage's. Morello to me is alright, but I don't find myself using its passive very much-- however, that might be because I suck. DFG gives supports who don't do much damage the ability to do some-- a 25% nuke is not to be underestimated.

On the other hand is AUG. It builds from a FC, which is actually one of my favorite items in the game. This is how its kind of related to Morello's. It gives more mana regen, more AP and some MR. This essentially allows you to beat the other support b/c you can spam more, do more damage and take less than them. However, it doesn't build out of Kage's which means you lose the gp5.

So in the end I rarely build Morello's. When winning I go AUG, when losing I go DFG. AUG lets me snowball a bit, DFG lets me try and make back some of the gold differential and do needed damage.


Morello against Swain is pretty powerful.


yeah. but like i said, im prettybad and forget to use it most of the time.

i did have a really clutch moment where i used it on a mundo once and completely wrecked his ulti. once.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
July 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#1813
On July 14 2012 08:54 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:30 Mystogun wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?


MID PLAYERS KNOW THIS PAIN MAN IF IT'S NOT BLADED ARMOR IT'S FUCKING RED BUFF

Mid players who also jungle don't have this problem because they know to avoid it.


thats nonsense
TranslatorBaa!
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
July 14 2012 01:23 GMT
#1814
On July 14 2012 08:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 08:30 Mystogun wrote:
On July 14 2012 08:10 LightRailCoyote wrote:
On July 14 2012 07:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
It gives you a bit of everything, and in games where you can't guarantee consistent blue buffs, Grail is a great early (2nd major item?) buy on people like Anivia and Swain.


Read: sheep buys this item when he gets out last hit by bladed armor mastery.


So this doesn't just happen to me then?


MID PLAYERS KNOW THIS PAIN MAN IF IT'S NOT BLADED ARMOR IT'S FUCKING RED BUFF


oh god red buff is the bane of my existence as a mid main
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
July 14 2012 01:25 GMT
#1815
I make a point of playing Naut, taking bladed armor, and having red and W ticking as it's about to die.

BETTER TIME IT RIGHT.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 01:44:01
July 14 2012 01:37 GMT
#1816


Patch preview.

Edit: thoughts.

Nothing we didn't see in notes, other than the Sona buffs and Malz's Zone cast time. The Jax thing is great, good on them.
It's your boy Guzma!
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 14 2012 01:46 GMT
#1817
On July 14 2012 10:25 Craton wrote:
I make a point of playing Naut, taking bladed armor, and having red and W ticking as it's about to die.

BETTER TIME IT RIGHT.


Some men just want to watch the world burn.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 02:01:01
July 14 2012 01:56 GMT
#1818
Riot really needs to revert the ranked dodge change. This is so stupidly painful, I get an average of 2-3 dodges per queue, sometimes up to 5, and having none is actually rare now. :/

EDIT: Also, GUNBLADE MALZ TIME YEAHHHHH
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 14 2012 01:59 GMT
#1819
Oh god, Malz gonna be scary again.

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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
July 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#1820
On July 14 2012 10:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Oh god, Malz gonna be scary again.


This x 100

Push all day without mana problems because E is bullshit and gank every lane.
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