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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 11 2012 12:16 GMT
#1081
On July 11 2012 20:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 20:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:47 Shikyo wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:01 Shikyo wrote:
On July 11 2012 19:34 PrinceXizor wrote:
Hm, what would be a good 8 heroes to pick from for a push strat.

sivir carry, karma/janna support, ziggs/talon mid, jayce/rumble top, ??? jungle?

anyone else in any role?

Jayce is the best pusher in the entire game.


Not really. Malzahar is much better. And among bruisers shyvanna seems faster than jayce to me.


No..

Both kill minions at the same speed and jayce is way better vs towers

Pretty sure Malz can kill minions a lot faster with Q+E. I haven't played Malz in a looong time but iirc blue buff Malz can maintain 2 voidlings that absolutely melt towers. No idea if that would outdamage Jayce W tho; it probably won't.

Q is only backline and E takes like 12 secs for melee, do you know how fast jayce clears

You can easily kill 4-5 minions with Q if you angle it properly by standing off to the side of the lane rather than facing the minions head-on. If you have the space, you can tank up minions into a ball and Q them all.

Jayce Q or E+Q can hit melee only or ranged only unless you're balling up the minions in both hammer or cannon mode. His hammer W can clear pretty darn well, but you need to be in the minion wave, which may not be ideal if you're trying to siege a tower.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 12:32:32
July 11 2012 12:31 GMT
#1082
On July 11 2012 21:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 20:58 Shikyo wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:47 Shikyo wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:11 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On July 11 2012 20:01 Shikyo wrote:
On July 11 2012 19:34 PrinceXizor wrote:
Hm, what would be a good 8 heroes to pick from for a push strat.

sivir carry, karma/janna support, ziggs/talon mid, jayce/rumble top, ??? jungle?

anyone else in any role?

Jayce is the best pusher in the entire game.


Not really. Malzahar is much better. And among bruisers shyvanna seems faster than jayce to me.


No..

Both kill minions at the same speed and jayce is way better vs towers

Pretty sure Malz can kill minions a lot faster with Q+E. I haven't played Malz in a looong time but iirc blue buff Malz can maintain 2 voidlings that absolutely melt towers. No idea if that would outdamage Jayce W tho; it probably won't.

Q is only backline and E takes like 12 secs for melee, do you know how fast jayce clears

You can easily kill 4-5 minions with Q if you angle it properly by standing off to the side of the lane rather than facing the minions head-on. If you have the space, you can tank up minions into a ball and Q them all.

Jayce Q or E+Q can hit melee only or ranged only unless you're balling up the minions in both hammer or cannon mode. His hammer W can clear pretty darn well, but you need to be in the minion wave, which may not be ideal if you're trying to siege a tower.

If you compare to jayce whose pushing is basically QE melee creeps -> swap to hammer -> WQ, he can practically move forward the entire time with no slowdown. His W also as I said takes about half of a tower's hp away every 6 seconds

Clearing while sieging a tower is irrelevant because Jayce doesn't take more than ~7 seconds per tower
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
July 11 2012 12:38 GMT
#1083
I just realised that the Heimer in the final play is our very own Soniv.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
July 11 2012 12:40 GMT
#1084
Clearing speed isn't even relevant at all when you have 5 people pushing down a lane.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 11 2012 12:52 GMT
#1085
On July 11 2012 21:38 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I just realised that the Heimer in the final play is our very own Soniv. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQnpkViu1UE&feature=relmfu


My god, I fucking remember that game.

I remember saying "I kept Taric out of the fight, how the hell did Graves 1v3 you guys."
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 13:01:07
July 11 2012 12:58 GMT
#1086
if you guys want to talk about pushing bruisers, mundo is mandatory reading material
his W clears creeps soooo goddamn fast and his E chunks towers especially mixed with wit's or any AS item. shyvana's a good pusher but i don't think she can touch mundo. olaf jax and wukong are great pushers too, olaf is a bit more situational but with ghost/ult up you can't punish him for solo pushing

but as spinesheath said, the best pushing comp will always revolve around 4-5 supports. i like 4 supports + sivir, but 5 supports is great too. so much teamfight control early, before people get real items. you just bait that first team fight, 5-0 them, take 2 towers, go back and spend your 3k gold each, then shove mid for the win at 15 minutes. such a fun strat


so on a different topic
with how strong ranged AD are atm, do you guys think triple ranged AD could be viable? i was thinking cait/kayle top, teemo/trist mid, and a normal bot. jungle would be a mandatory malphite/amumu/maokai probably. cait top is really fucking strong. teemo destroys people mid. and then you have the unholy advantage of triple ranged in teamfights. i think it could work
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Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 13:12:47
July 11 2012 13:12 GMT
#1087
On July 11 2012 21:58 gtrsrs wrote:
if you guys want to talk about pushing bruisers, mundo is mandatory reading material
his W clears creeps soooo goddamn fast and his E chunks towers especially mixed with wit's or any AS item. shyvana's a good pusher but i don't think she can touch mundo. olaf jax and wukong are great pushers too, olaf is a bit more situational but with ghost/ult up you can't punish him for solo pushing

but as spinesheath said, the best pushing comp will always revolve around 4-5 supports. i like 4 supports + sivir, but 5 supports is great too. so much teamfight control early, before people get real items. you just bait that first team fight, 5-0 them, take 2 towers, go back and spend your 3k gold each, then shove mid for the win at 15 minutes. such a fun strat


so on a different topic
with how strong ranged AD are atm, do you guys think triple ranged AD could be viable? i was thinking cait/kayle top, teemo/trist mid, and a normal bot. jungle would be a mandatory malphite/amumu/maokai probably. cait top is really fucking strong. teemo destroys people mid. and then you have the unholy advantage of triple ranged in teamfights. i think it could work

I guess you could get ap damage with jungle karthus but then your team is so squishy so you IMo you need a tanky jungle and support but then what stops whem from stacking armor? Maybe tanky AP jungle mumu could provide enough magic damage and peel. But anyway I think corki top, cait mid and something bottom would be a good comp because you get some magic damage from top and cait will dominiate mid if you counter pick right.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 11 2012 13:15 GMT
#1088
On July 11 2012 21:40 spinesheath wrote:
Clearing speed isn't even relevant at all when you have 5 people pushing down a lane.

for pushin you really just need tons of strong auras and an ap and/or ad that can instaclear waves
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 11 2012 13:17 GMT
#1089
mixed damage isn't as much of an issue as most people think it is

it's a problem at a few stages in the game (when enemy bruiser opens 2 armor items and your guys don't have arpen yet, and megalate game when the enemies all have 1 damage item and 5 armor items, but even then that's not too scary), yes. but if you have triple AD and force the enemy AP and AD to open an armor item, haven't you already won? they're delaying THEIR damage that much more. also corki/trist/teemo do tons of magic damage, as you said, so they do provide a nice mix. but in the end, i think range trumps everything in lol, and if you're playing against champs without a gapcloser, it doesn't matter how much armor they build. you're gonna kite and kite and tink and dink and crit all day while they try to get close enough to do damage, and when the engage finally happens, amumu/malphite ult and just let 'em have it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
July 11 2012 13:24 GMT
#1090
i haven't played LoL for like 3 months but I'll probably play like 50 games with remade Twitch asap :3
And all is illuminated.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 11 2012 13:43 GMT
#1091
Alright, this probably belongs in the QQ thread, but whatever.

Why the hell do people (generally at lower elos) think MBR is the best item in the entire game? They're like "Oh, the jungle Lee Sin bought a Giant's Belt, better rush Bloodrazor on Ashe", and if you play AD carry and don't buy one, they act like you're a fucking idiot. Same with APs and DFG, something about % health makes people flip the fuck out and not think about actual viable builds.

Frustrating.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 11 2012 13:50 GMT
#1092
DFG is actually legit pretty fucking good.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 11 2012 13:51 GMT
#1093
On July 11 2012 22:50 Alaric wrote:
DFG is actually legit pretty fucking good.

Oh yes, but I was told last night that I should have had it at 15 minutes before any other item (including boots 2), simply because it does % health and that makes it more viable than WotA, Deathcap, Rylai, or early game DRing stacking.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 11 2012 13:53 GMT
#1094
On July 11 2012 22:51 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 22:50 Alaric wrote:
DFG is actually legit pretty fucking good.

Oh yes, but I was told last night that I should have had it at 15 minutes before any other item (including boots 2), simply because it does % health and that makes it more viable than WotA, Deathcap, Rylai, or early game DRing stacking.


Entirely dependant on what champion you're playing. I'd say DFG rush on Veigar and Morde is 100% awesome.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 11 2012 13:55 GMT
#1095
On July 11 2012 22:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 22:51 Requizen wrote:
On July 11 2012 22:50 Alaric wrote:
DFG is actually legit pretty fucking good.

Oh yes, but I was told last night that I should have had it at 15 minutes before any other item (including boots 2), simply because it does % health and that makes it more viable than WotA, Deathcap, Rylai, or early game DRing stacking.


Entirely dependant on what champion you're playing. I'd say DFG rush on Veigar and Morde is 100% awesome.

Viktor.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 11 2012 13:57 GMT
#1096
On July 11 2012 22:55 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 22:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 11 2012 22:51 Requizen wrote:
On July 11 2012 22:50 Alaric wrote:
DFG is actually legit pretty fucking good.

Oh yes, but I was told last night that I should have had it at 15 minutes before any other item (including boots 2), simply because it does % health and that makes it more viable than WotA, Deathcap, Rylai, or early game DRing stacking.


Entirely dependant on what champion you're playing. I'd say DFG rush on Veigar and Morde is 100% awesome.

Viktor.


I've yet to build it on Viktor. Been meaning to try it, but my standard opening build is generally so successful, I haven't wanted to deviate.

One of those "ain't broke, don't fix" kinda deals.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 14:09:37
July 11 2012 14:09 GMT
#1097
you sure its not one of those "so broke, dont know where to start" deals?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 11 2012 14:17 GMT
#1098
So you're back, uh?
Well if you're willing to admit Viktor's broken, I won't deny you.

I'm not sure about early DFG on Viktor: sure it's awesome as part of his huge burst, but seeing his lack of instant cc, if people see you using DFG they'll run even before you ult and that's one annoying thing when they outrun your ult with 50hp because you were too busy having animations to follow them.

Never checked actually, does DFG's casting animation take a lot of frame? It always seemed to me it had frames, even if not a proper animation.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 14:19:31
July 11 2012 14:18 GMT
#1099
On July 11 2012 21:40 spinesheath wrote:
Clearing speed isn't even relevant at all when you have 5 people pushing down a lane.


Definitely. You should be much more concerned with how quickly you can down towers than how quickly you can clear creeps.

On July 11 2012 23:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
you sure its not one of those "so broke, dont know where to start" deals?


So you're saying there's a software issue with Soniv's Viktor?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 11 2012 14:23 GMT
#1100
Steel can fix all your flaws.
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