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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:29 overt wrote: I honestly think that Caitlyn's ult is awful. Has zero utilty, does very little damage, and it's block-able. It does like 1300 damage late game. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
With a full 1 second channel time. It's barely a damage increase since you won't be autoing and I can't think of a single team fight where you'd actually get to use it. So more often what happens is you use it before a fight even starts and then whoever got hit by it (usually a high health high armor bruiser) is going to be healed up before the fight begins. Or you use it at the end of the fight after the fight is already won or lost by your team. I literally cannot think of a worse ult in this game. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:44 overt wrote: With a full 1 second channel time. It's barely a damage increase since you won't be autoing and I can't think of a single team fight where you'd actually get to use it. So more often what happens is you use it before a fight even starts and then whoever got hit by it (usually a high health high armor bruiser) is going to be healed up before the fight begins. Or you use it at the end of the fight after the fight is already won or lost by your team. I literally cannot think of a worse ult in this game. It can get you an ace, all kinds of stuff, if used on a team with no innate healing someones going to be missing a pretty decent portion of their health. I don't think it's as good lategame as it is early/mid but saying it's bad is just dumb imo | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
If it were unblockable it'd be an okay skill because it'd actually be a good finisher on low health characters and it could be like a baby karthus ult that you can use before a fight to chunk an ad carry. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6219 Posts
The reason why sivir's ultimate isn't as strong of a self buff as most others (draven comes to mind) is that it buffs your entire team in a large radius. If you have a jungler like nocturne/Udyr/mundo and a bruiser like irelia, sivir's ultimate makes them all absurdly strong. Irelia's ultimate actually does a decent amount of damage. The reason people use it to clear minion waves is that it's a simple way to empty a lane so that you can go back and the ulti is back up 20s after you reach lane again. Also, I played a bunch of orianna. The last patch is definitely a buff. It's 10x easier to hit a combo and I haven't failed at killing someone at level 6 yet. Q+W at level 4/5 2 times and chunk them down to 2/3rd health and then once you hit 6, Q>R+ignite, auto+auto >W>Q > auto attacks and they've died every time. Long story short, get used to putting points into W. It's worth it. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/m7cGG.jpg) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
wut. xerath ult is pretty good... Have you played him lately? As for Cait ult,. I just remembered that they improved it...want to see if the range and channeling buff is noticeable. If so it makes her even stronger early-midgame and lategame yeah, the ult isn't great but if you initiate at the right time you can treat it like an Ashe arrow and just focus the bruiser you just chunked. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Eve's ult is pretty shitty Her ult is a crazy good steroid. I suppose it's effectively shitty just because it's attached to the rest of her kit. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Eve's ult is pretty shitty No, Eve is pretty shitty. Before she was destroyed her ult was fucking king. NO MORE TALK ABOUT EVE BEFORE SOMEONE HEARS US | ||
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Lmui
Canada6219 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:44 overt wrote: With a full 1 second channel time. It's barely a damage increase since you won't be autoing and I can't think of a single team fight where you'd actually get to use it. So more often what happens is you use it before a fight even starts and then whoever got hit by it (usually a high health high armor bruiser) is going to be healed up before the fight begins. Or you use it at the end of the fight after the fight is already won or lost by your team. I literally cannot think of a worse ult in this game. In a large portion of games, hitting an AD carry, AP carry or support will do enough damage to force them to play cautiously or back out from a fight before it begins. With a shorter channel time, it's very possible to channel it from a funny angle and hit one of them. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote: No, Eve is pretty shitty. Before she was destroyed her ult was fucking king. NO MORE TALK ABOUT EVE BEFORE SOMEONE HEARS US NO MORE TALK ABOUT EVE BEFORE Prince_Xizor HEARS US FTFY | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:01 Lmui wrote: In a large portion of games, hitting an AD carry, AP carry or support will do enough damage to force them to play cautiously or back out from a fight before it begins. With a shorter channel time, it's very possible to channel it from a funny angle and hit one of them. On the downside, lots of supports have shields and heals, most ADs are around their supports who have shields or heals, and if you're an ad carry shooting an ap carry it's usually in the position jockeying as a team so someone less squishy is there to take the hit. It's just so situational for little payoff. Also, to whoever said 1300 damage: Only if you have 300 bonus ad, which is pretty unlikely. It's usually somewhere between 1100-1200 typical 6 items depending on how stacked your BT is. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On July 09 2012 12:44 overt wrote: With a full 1 second channel time. It's barely a damage increase since you won't be autoing and I can't think of a single team fight where you'd actually get to use it. So more often what happens is you use it before a fight even starts and then whoever got hit by it (usually a high health high armor bruiser) is going to be healed up before the fight begins. Or you use it at the end of the fight after the fight is already won or lost by your team. I literally cannot think of a worse ult in this game. That's why you don't use it in the middle of the fight. It's just like a Karthus ult. You use it before the fighting starts, after its died down and you're off to a side, or at the end of a fight. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:08 Craton wrote: That's why you don't use it in the middle of the fight. It's just like a Karthus ult. You use it before the fighting starts, after its died down and you're off to a side, or at the end of a fight. Maybe if you could block karthus ult with a tank. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
W + Void Staff = 80% magic penetration. Holyshit that's pretty much true damage. I guess building Abyssal would be pretty good on him too, so that's even more mpen. Time to play Xerath again. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:15 ticklishmusic wrote: I just realized something about Xerath... W + Void Staff = 80% magic penetration. Holyshit that's pretty much true damage. I guess building Abyssal would be pretty good on him too, so that's even more mpen. Time to play Xerath again. Don't forget 10% from masteries. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
TRUE DAMAGE! Xerath is my main, loving the buffs-Eing people was always a but awkward before, but now is just so fluid. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 09 2012 13:15 ticklishmusic wrote: I just realized something about Xerath... W + Void Staff = 80% magic penetration. Holyshit that's pretty much true damage. I guess building Abyssal would be pretty good on him too, so that's even more mpen. Time to play Xerath again. Except you don't get near that much since % is uhh multiplicative? or something I think it was instead of Additive like sorc shoes and haunting guise. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_penetration | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Heimer ult hands down the worst all around ult. | ||
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