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On July 17 2012 23:51 Alaric wrote:
If you have 2 seeds stored, you put 2 down at 0,
get 1 at 10.2s and put it down,
get 1 at 20.4s and put it down,
at 30s the first 2 disappear so you can't have 5.
Or does the 17s cd go down with W levels too, for replenishing stored seeds?
Max rank W is 13 seconds per seed, so at 40% CDR that's 7.8 seconds per seed.
But you could have 5 plants out in the field either way. Cast Q on the first four at 25-29 seconds, plant another at 30.6s and then cast Q on it as well. Really without the limit the theoretical maximum number of simultaneously active flowers would have been 7, albeit for 1 second before the first 5 died.
It's probably better that there's a limit, if only so Riot doesn't have to balance around newbies who run into Zyra with 5+ flowers.
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just thought I'd mention that 5 legendary skins are being retired, it's really odd to me feels like they are trying to sneak it out the back door. But today is the last day you can buy them and the only place I've seen it advertised is in the client.
They are not on sale, but just in case any of you have always wanted red baron corki, FF Trist, Annie in wonderland, Magnificent TF, or alien invasion Heimer, now is your last chance.
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So at max W the cd is at most 10.4s/seed, without any external sources of cdr... that's pretty short actually, depending on the ranges it could make for good poke.
Regarding gp5, if I had to build one on Trundle it'd more probably be philo anyway: gives more Q to clear quicker (esp. with wriggles), goes well with passive+lifesteal for clear+gank, and builds into shurelya which can help with his lack of gap closer. Since Trundle's ult makes him favor HP over resistances (arguably depending on enemy comp) shurelya's not half-bad. I never did math out how cdr could flow with his AS and Q cd tho.
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I haven't seen the philo nerfs but I'll still buy HoG on udyr because I only buy it when I want randuins anyway but on other stuff like maokai skarner amumu malphite I doubt I'll get it.
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On July 18 2012 00:07 Slusher wrote:
just thought I'd mention that 5 legendary skins are being retired, it's really odd to me feels like they are trying to sneak it out the back door. But today is the last day you can buy them and the only place I've seen it advertised is in the client.
They are not on sale, but just in case any of you have always wanted red baron corki, FF Trist, Annie in wonderland, Magnificent TF, or alien invasion Heimer, now is your last chance.
only real good one i think is red baron corki
other ones are eh
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for the price they all blow but limited time only etc.
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On July 18 2012 00:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Philo stone is a great item regardless of the gp10. It's a cost efficient regen item that's super good early but pays for itself later. Gief. You can say "oh you lose dragon control" but you gain extra gold from csing + xp from having to back less so you get stronger that way.
Hog is the only item that is like "oh don't buy this because you lose dragon control" but most people who auto buy this are junglers who are underfarmed enough as it is and supports which it's debateable on.
The question isn't really whether to get philo or not - since it's cost-effective as it is - the question is whether to philo -> hog or philo -> shurelyas.
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more like philo-->kindlegem shurelyas can be saved until a bit later if you want to, and it costs more than hog.
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On July 18 2012 00:40 Frolossus wrote:
finally broke 1700 x.x
All that liquidpratice help? If it means anything, I was really impressed by your AD play.
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On July 18 2012 00:39 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Philo stone is a great item regardless of the gp10. It's a cost efficient regen item that's super good early but pays for itself later. Gief. You can say "oh you lose dragon control" but you gain extra gold from csing + xp from having to back less so you get stronger that way.
Hog is the only item that is like "oh don't buy this because you lose dragon control" but most people who auto buy this are junglers who are underfarmed enough as it is and supports which it's debateable on. The question isn't really whether to get philo or not - since it's cost-effective as it is - the question is whether to philo -> hog or philo -> shurelyas.
What about philo -> 1-2 drings -> kindlegem -> reverie? I could imagine it being ok on some supports, but the ap is really meh.
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On July 18 2012 01:42 Nos- wrote:
What's liquidpractice?
A secret project to undermine the outside influence in NA.LiquidParty.
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On July 18 2012 01:42 Nos- wrote:
What's liquidpractice?
If you're tired of solo que, can't find people to play with, or just want to get better, you're welcome to join fellow TL members in our North American in-house practice group.
This group's main purpose is to organize and play in-house 5v5 draft games. However, it is also appropriate to use it for:
• Finding a duo que partner
• Organizing a ranked 5v5 team
• Coordinating times to log on for future in-house games
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On July 18 2012 00:11 Alaric wrote:
So at max W the cd is at most 10.4s/seed, without any external sources of cdr... that's pretty short actually, depending on the ranges it could make for good poke.
Regarding gp5, if I had to build one on Trundle it'd more probably be philo anyway: gives more Q to clear quicker (esp. with wriggles), goes well with passive+lifesteal for clear+gank, and builds into shurelya which can help with his lack of gap closer. Since Trundle's ult makes him favor HP over resistances (arguably depending on enemy comp) shurelya's not half-bad. I never did math out how cdr could flow with his AS and Q cd tho.
Her ranges are fucking awesome. And the radius on her ult is pretty ridiculous. You can very quickly turn a lane into a terror garden.
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On July 18 2012 01:45 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:39 r.Evo wrote:On July 18 2012 00:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Philo stone is a great item regardless of the gp10. It's a cost efficient regen item that's super good early but pays for itself later. Gief. You can say "oh you lose dragon control" but you gain extra gold from csing + xp from having to back less so you get stronger that way.
Hog is the only item that is like "oh don't buy this because you lose dragon control" but most people who auto buy this are junglers who are underfarmed enough as it is and supports which it's debateable on. The question isn't really whether to get philo or not - since it's cost-effective as it is - the question is whether to philo -> hog or philo -> shurelyas. What about philo -> 1-2 drings -> kindlegem -> reverie? I could imagine it being ok on some supports, but the ap is really meh.
AP is decent on certain supports. It can help healing ratios on people like Taric/Soraka, shield for Janna, and snowball for Nunu. Something for Leona, I'm sure, but I don't play her. However, I don't know if that outweighs the self-defensiveness of health nor the CDR you'd get from a quicker Kindlegem.
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On July 18 2012 01:45 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:39 r.Evo wrote:On July 18 2012 00:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Philo stone is a great item regardless of the gp10. It's a cost efficient regen item that's super good early but pays for itself later. Gief. You can say "oh you lose dragon control" but you gain extra gold from csing + xp from having to back less so you get stronger that way.
Hog is the only item that is like "oh don't buy this because you lose dragon control" but most people who auto buy this are junglers who are underfarmed enough as it is and supports which it's debateable on. The question isn't really whether to get philo or not - since it's cost-effective as it is - the question is whether to philo -> hog or philo -> shurelyas. What about philo -> 1-2 drings -> kindlegem -> reverie? I could imagine it being ok on some supports, but the ap is really meh.
It's a waste imo. You should easily have enough MP5 with Philo, and the cost effectiveness of just AP and HP on DRing isn't all that great anymore. CDR is very strong on pretty much all supports, so I see no reason to delay Kindlegem for DRings.
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it's less the ap that puts me off d-rings and more the excess mana regen to be honest
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depends on the support, Janna can spend a lot of mana very quickly if she wants to
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