EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 117
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
which is a good thing | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:33 gtrsrs wrote: hog nerf gonna make trundle, shyvana, nocturne, and the likes slightly stronger comparitively which is a good thing How exactly? I've been buying hog on every single one of those. The 250hp was really nice. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/dBfay.jpg So freaking psyched for this champ. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:45 JackDino wrote: How exactly? I've been buying hog on every single one of those. The 250hp was really nice. i got it sometimes too but not every game, and only when i was ahead skipping it as a non-essential item will get you that phage/aegis/wit's/warmog's a lot faster and make your transition more smooth than someone who really "needed" hog like amumu/mundo/skarner | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:00 Takkara wrote: I don't see how your post about Dragon supports your premise. Dragon is valuable. Each GP10 item is the equivalent of killing dragon 20s after it spawns over and over and over again. I get that Dragon is a "free" advantage and GP10 costs, but it's weird to say that a GP10 is "only" worth the same as Dragon when Dragon is considered a major objective on the map. I guess I don't mean to start this discussion over again, but I don't understand that point that you make. If NOT buying gp10 gives your team a clear dragon advantage (shurelyas e.g.) then it's way stronger since it represents 5gp10 items distributed around your team instead of a single one on yourself. Sure, gp10 makes sense when you don't think that it's likely that extra items will give you a clear advantage but aiming to ignore that possible advantage does not make sense from a strategical perspective. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:37 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: I have a question; do most top laners take AD reds or Apen reds? I thought they used AD, but Apen is way stronger vs enemy champions, right? I take AD to last hit... not sure about trading though | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ooooh super nice change on PBE for Zyra. http://i.imgur.com/dBfay.jpg So freaking psyched for this champ. What's new apart from the cdr on her W? Also does the tooltip mean that W can be used on an already planted seed to make it grow, or is it simply an explanation of the interaction with her other skills? | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I'd say AD is the safe choice though, since it definitely helps through better lasthitting control. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:10 Alaric wrote: What's new apart from the cdr on her W? Also does the tooltip mean that W can be used on an already planted seed to make it grow, or is it simply an explanation of the interaction with her other skills? The tooltip is simply an explanation, I think that was there before. The 4% passive per point is new, and awesome. Also, previously, she could only store and have 2 seeds. Now she can store 2 and have 4 on the field. It offers way more flexibility and adaptation, something that previously felt very clunky on her. The 25% reduced damaged per plant is new too, but totally makes sense with 4 potential plants. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:54 gtrsrs wrote: i got it sometimes too but not every game, and only when i was ahead skipping it as a non-essential item will get you that phage/aegis/wit's/warmog's a lot faster and make your transition more smooth than someone who really "needed" hog like amumu/mundo/skarner I never thought HoG was "necessary" on Skarner, I'd often skip it for Kindlegem (fast Shurelya at 6 is instagibs), Phage if I was getting fed enough for TF, or just Aegis. If anything, he'll be about the same. I don't play Mundo enough to talk about him, but won't Amumu often just make his Ruby into Cata and skip HoG altogether? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Since Mundo likes Randuin's anyway, it wouldn't be a "loss" to still build it. Kindlegem/Aegis still superior since you build them way earlier than randuin's tho. Also level 5 W is 20% cdr on Zyra? Gravity Viktor and Ryze are sad. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:36 Alaric wrote: On Mundo I guess you could get a kindlegem, and turn it into an early SV if needed, or a later zeke? Since Mundo likes Randuin's anyway, it wouldn't be a "loss" to still build it. Kindlegem/Aegis still superior since you build them way earlier than randuin's tho. Also level 5 W is 20% cdr on Zyra? Gravity Viktor and Ryze are sad. It's not about it being a loss building it because you need it, you're paying 350g for a 20hp upgrade and some gp10. That's just not worth it. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: The tooltip is simply an explanation, I think that was there before. The 4% passive per point is new, and awesome. Also, previously, she could only store and have 2 seeds. Now she can store 2 and have 4 on the field. It offers way more flexibility and adaptation, something that previously felt very clunky on her. The 25% reduced damaged per plant is new too, but totally makes sense with 4 potential plants. You could have four on the field before anyway, If anything they're now imposing a limit on how many seeds you can have on the field, since it's theoretically possible to hit 5 with enough CDR. tl;dr Soniv too busy making flowers to realize he can plant more than two seeds. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:48 Seuss wrote: You could have four on the field before anyway, If anything they're now imposing a limit on how many seeds you can have on the field, since it's theoretically possible to hit 5 with enough CDR. tl;dr Soniv too busy making flowers to realize he can plant more than two seeds. D= my bad lol flower pretty | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
get 1 at 10.2s and put it down, get 1 at 20.4s and put it down, at 30s the first 2 disappear so you can't have 5. Or does the 17s cd go down with W levels too, for replenishing stored seeds? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23462 Posts
Hog is the only item that is like "oh don't buy this because you lose dragon control" but most people who auto buy this are junglers who are underfarmed enough as it is and supports which it's debateable on. | ||
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