[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 95

On June 18 2012 02:57 gtrsrs wrote:
finally got into the server, checked out all the new splash arts

they literally all look worse than the american counterpart pieces except for the TF ones and bloodfury renekton
i want refunds on all of these skins that i own, i don't even want to play amumu any more

ugh

On June 18 2012 03:16 gtrsrs wrote:
i guess i don't know why they would change the splash art on skins that are not default skins
when you buy a work of art, you don't give the artist the right to come to your house and change it whenever they want
you buy it for what you like about the original piece

changing alternate skins just feels... cheap to me

On June 18 2012 02:31 Flakes wrote:

I queue'd up, alt-tabbed to play Megaman, came back once I heard "Welcome to Summoner's Rift," and I'd been given Darius. Basically perfect for Mogwai.
High elo queues can get pretty long, a lot of those players do other stuff while waiting, and also focus on a single role/lane in terms of champion picks. But yes as I mentioned I don't think they should accommodate AFKers.

On June 18 2012 03:16 gtrsrs wrote:
i guess i don't know why they would change the splash art on skins that are not default skins
when you buy a work of art, you don't give the artist the right to come to your house and change it whenever they want
you buy it for what you like about the original piece

changing alternate skins just feels... cheap to me

On June 18 2012 02:19 Flakes wrote:
(Also Yango you should mathcraft "most DPS on single item with no other DPS items," I still think it was MBR, at least before the IE buff )

On June 18 2012 03:55 TheYango wrote:

For this, I'm going to assume the base stats of level 12 Ashe, a standard 21 offense setup, AD reds/AD quints runepage, and common items of 2xDBlade+Zerks. Below are the DPS and DPS/gold values against 50, 100, and 150 armor. First, the easy stat items:
Base, no additional items, 108/82/66

Infinity Edge, 247/0.0363 @ 50 armor, 187/0.0274 @ 100 armor, 150/0.0219 @ 150 armor
Phantom Dancer, 190/0.0288 @ 50 armor, 144/0.0218 @ 100 armor, 116/0.0176 @ 150 armor
Last Whisper, 160/0.0227 @ 50 armor, 132/0.0218 @ 100 armor, 112/0.0201 @ 150 armor
Full Bloodthirster, 194/0.0287 @ 50 armor, 146/0.0213 @ 100 armor, 118/0.0173 @ 150 armor
Black Cleaver (full stacks), 223/0.0401 @ 50 armor, 160/0.0272 @ 100 armor, 124/0.0202 @ 150 armor

Nothing really surprising here. Infinity Edge has the best overall performance. PD and BT trade raw damage for their respective extra utility. Black Cleaver has strong performance at low armor that tapers off rapidly at medium/higher armor values, while LW does the opposite (note that BC's DPS is slightly over-valued due to the fact that it assumes full stacks straight from the beginning).

Analyzing other items is a bit trickier. We'll begin with Triforce. To do this, we'll first calculate the raw DPS gained from the stats, then calculate the number of procs per second required to match other DPS items (in practice, Triforce is only capable of 0.5 procs per second in ideal circumstances, and on most heroes, much less than that).

Triforce raw stats, 183 @ 50 armor, 139 @ 100 armor, 111 @ 150 armor
Ashe has 80.5 AD at level 12. This translates into 53.67 damage @ 50 armor, 40.25 @ 100 armor, 32.2 @ 150 armor

From a cursory analysis, it's pretty clear that Triforce isn't going to match up against IE at any point for pure damage, even on its best users. If you're buying Triforce, you're paying a LOT for the utility. However, for Corki and Ezreal players, it's worth noting that Triforce DOES beat full BT for DPS, even with less-than-optimal Triforce proc usage. It also only has marginally worse DPS/gold, which is more than made up for in the vast amount of other stats the item gives.

We look at the proc items last, Wit's End and Bloodrazor. As with Triforce, we'll calculate the raw stats first, then determine how good the proc has to be.

Wit's raw stats, 134 @ 50 armor, 101 @ 100 armor, 81 @ 150 armor
Bloodrazor raw stats, 176 @ 50 armor, 133 @ 100 armor, 107@ 150 armor

I'll skip Wit's for now because I'm lazy.

For Bloodrazor, it's straightforward because its cost is basically the same as IE. We just calculate the required proc damage at each armor value. With the appropriate items, Ashe has 1.376 attack speed.
@ 50 armor: proc needs to do 51.6 damage after mitigation
@ 100 armor: proc needs to do 39.24 damage after mitigation
@ 150 armor: proc needs to do 31.25 damage after mitigation

Lets assume that our targets have balanced mitigation--similar amounts of armor and MR. We can then calculate breakeven HP values for Bloodrazor:
@ 50 armor/MR: 1935 HP breakeven
@ 100 armor/MR: 1962 HP breakeven
@ 150 armor/MR: 1953 HP breakeven

So for single-item DPS, Bloodrazor is approximately equivalent to IE against ~2k HP targets, assuming they have similar amounts of armor and MR.

On June 18 2012 04:01 sylverfyre wrote:

Bloodrazor has issues because of the lack of any followup being effective - any second item you add onto bloodrazor won't scale as well as the AD + crit + AS combination of stats, because MBR only scales with AS and enemy HP.

On June 18 2012 03:21 JackDino wrote:

Jokes on you for paying for splashart in that case. Pretty sure I got mine for free.