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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 17 2012 16:46 GMT
#1861
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I like how vlad and kennen are on the mid list and mordekaiser is on the top list. Pant also on the top list, pant best champ in league almost wins all games.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 17 2012 16:47 GMT
#1862
On June 18 2012 00:29 0123456789 wrote:
The new queue dodge fix is really dumb. They need to make you lose elo.

Had a game today, where by the 3rd pick they were all ready deciding to troll casue swain was confused and picked him top over warwick, they all promised to feed and not gank or do anything useful.

sure enough it happened, so not only did i waste 30 minutes and lose ELO for the game, dodging would have had the same result.

Losing ELO to dodge is kinda dumb sometimes
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 17 2012 16:47 GMT
#1863
On June 18 2012 01:46 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I like how vlad and kennen are on the mid list and mordekaiser is on the top list. Pant also on the top list, pant best champ in league almost wins all games.


Malz #1 mid.

Panth/Yorick #1 top. =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 17 2012 16:53 GMT
#1864
On June 18 2012 01:47 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 00:29 0123456789 wrote:
The new queue dodge fix is really dumb. They need to make you lose elo.

Had a game today, where by the 3rd pick they were all ready deciding to troll casue swain was confused and picked him top over warwick, they all promised to feed and not gank or do anything useful.

sure enough it happened, so not only did i waste 30 minutes and lose ELO for the game, dodging would have had the same result.

Losing ELO to dodge is kinda dumb sometimes

And I had a 0-12-0 mid who ragefed as last pick because he didnt get top. Had same person next game and again hes telling us he will feed.

Was worth the 10 elo but would prefer to not have lost any.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 17:05:54
June 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#1865
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I think it's fairly strange how nunu has a good win ratio.

I think jax is the missing picture for top.
Also I think that there is a lot of error in the charts. The chart has no way of telling if kennen or morde went top or mid, or if nunu went mid or bot for one thing.

It also is representative of the majority of players, so if you have a different playstyle than the majority or do different builds that may or may not be better than the standard, then these numbers don't apply to you.

You run into some of the common problems of applying too much math to anything.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#1866
On June 18 2012 01:47 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 01:46 JackDino wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I like how vlad and kennen are on the mid list and mordekaiser is on the top list. Pant also on the top list, pant best champ in league almost wins all games.


Malz #1 mid.

Panth/Yorick #1 top. =D

The best part is how Jax isn't listed on any of the charts. Imagine if I played a real champion
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 17 2012 16:59 GMT
#1867
On June 18 2012 01:09 Craton wrote:
The reasons you should actually need to dodge are A.) someone is AFK or B.) you have to leave (aka you can't play)

This doesn't solve the first at all. People who are AFK will just stay in queue being placed into teams over and over and over, maybe eventually even getting to the point where you have an entire game full of AFKs.


problem solved, all afks eventually matched together, minions win game
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
June 17 2012 17:08 GMT
#1868
Karma and Taric best supports? :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 17:13:03
June 17 2012 17:09 GMT
#1869
Man I really have to say i liked the American art for Mundo better than the Chinese

also they should have changed Akalis default, not just fucked around with the skins

glad of the tf change though, his new art they had was just ridiculously stupid looking

which WW and Trist skins did they change? I dont even see any changes right off
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 17 2012 17:09 GMT
#1870
On June 18 2012 01:09 Craton wrote:
The reasons you should actually need to dodge are A.) someone is AFK or B.) you have to leave (aka you can't play)

This doesn't solve the first at all. People who are AFK will just stay in queue being placed into teams over and over and over, maybe eventually even getting to the point where you have an entire game full of AFKs. There are definitely going to be trolls who abuse this. At Elos where you have very long queues and there are few people queuing, doding an AFK costs you a significant amount of time and/or ends up placing you back into the same matchup.

The problem is that auto-randoming someone doesn't make sense the way drafting is implemented in LoL. It's a holdover from how drafting was done in DotA (if you go over the allotted time, your hero gets auto-randomed), but in DotA, drafting is all done by the captain, rather than going through players in sequence, so the only requirement is that the captain doesn't AFK.

If you don't select a hero AT ALL during the allotted time, it should re-queue everyone and kick you out of queue. If you want to hard random, you still have the option to lock in nothing. Auto-randoming simply doesn't make sense in solo queue in this context.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11803 Posts
June 17 2012 17:13 GMT
#1871
Hm, i don't know what to think about those stats. Malzahar is the best mid, karma the best support? Vayne as best carry i might accept in soloqueue, though i'd have guessed it would be graves.

I'd guess some factors that need to be taken into consideration is that uncommon champions give you a knowledge advantage, because you will almost always know the matchup better then your enemy, and chances are if you are playing a non-mainstream champion there is a reason to it (counterpick, you are really good with that champion, etc...), while if you play a mainstream champion it might just be because he is mainstream.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 17:25:26
June 17 2012 17:19 GMT
#1872
On June 18 2012 01:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I think jax is the missing picture for top.

Nope it's Fiora! (you can tell by the mouse-overs) Representing the majority of players indeed.

On June 18 2012 02:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 01:09 Craton wrote:
The reasons you should actually need to dodge are A.) someone is AFK or B.) you have to leave (aka you can't play)

This doesn't solve the first at all. People who are AFK will just stay in queue being placed into teams over and over and over, maybe eventually even getting to the point where you have an entire game full of AFKs. There are definitely going to be trolls who abuse this. At Elos where you have very long queues and there are few people queuing, doding an AFK costs you a significant amount of time and/or ends up placing you back into the same matchup.

The problem is that auto-randoming someone doesn't make sense the way drafting is implemented in LoL. It's a holdover from how drafting was done in DotA (if you go over the allotted time, your hero gets auto-randomed), but in DotA, drafting is all done by the captain, rather than going through players in sequence, so the only requirement is that the captain doesn't AFK.

If you don't select a hero AT ALL during the allotted time, it should re-queue everyone and kick you out of queue. If you want to hard random, you still have the option to lock in nothing. Auto-randoming simply doesn't make sense in solo queue in this context.

They could use a weighted random based on your most frequently played champs, but I also think they should just not accommodate AFKers.
(Also Yango you should mathcraft "most DPS on single item with no other DPS items," I still think it was MBR, at least before the IE buff )
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 17 2012 17:24 GMT
#1873
On June 18 2012 02:19 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 01:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I think jax is the missing picture for top.

Nope it's Fiora! (you can tell by the mouse-overs) Representing the majority of players indeed.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:09 TheYango wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:09 Craton wrote:
The reasons you should actually need to dodge are A.) someone is AFK or B.) you have to leave (aka you can't play)

This doesn't solve the first at all. People who are AFK will just stay in queue being placed into teams over and over and over, maybe eventually even getting to the point where you have an entire game full of AFKs. There are definitely going to be trolls who abuse this. At Elos where you have very long queues and there are few people queuing, doding an AFK costs you a significant amount of time and/or ends up placing you back into the same matchup.

The problem is that auto-randoming someone doesn't make sense the way drafting is implemented in LoL. It's a holdover from how drafting was done in DotA (if you go over the allotted time, your hero gets auto-randomed), but in DotA, drafting is all done by the captain, rather than going through players in sequence, so the only requirement is that the captain doesn't AFK.

If you don't select a hero AT ALL during the allotted time, it should re-queue everyone and kick you out of queue. If you want to hard random, you still have the option to lock in nothing. Auto-randoming simply doesn't make sense in solo queue in this context.

They could use a weighted random based on your most frequently played champs, but I also think they should just not accommodate AFKers.
(Also Yango you should mathcraft "most DPS on single item with no other DPS items" )


But like.. what's the point of doing some weighted random? If I'm not there to pick my champ there are a few cases:
a) I queue'd up, went afk, took too long and would like to play. Neither random nor weighted random would help in that case.
b) I queue'd up, my refrigerator caught fire and I won't come back. Neither random nor weighted random would help in that case.
c) I queue'd up, had all sounds off and.. I dno. I can't really think of more scenarios.

tl;dr: If you're afk, you should be kicked from queue without punishing anyone else. In case a) it kind of sucks, but I'd add a certain number of times people can dodge without repercussions and keep it secret from the general public. (like making a dodge via afk fine for 1/20 games for each game you already played this month or something similar.)
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11803 Posts
June 17 2012 17:24 GMT
#1874
I agree, being afk at selection should just act like if you dodge, with all the resulting consequences for the player. Punishing a team because they get the afk dude, and make them either dodge or waste 20 minutes and lose elo because someone else afkd is not good.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 17 2012 17:25 GMT
#1875
i can't get into the US server
anyone else having this problem?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
June 17 2012 17:26 GMT
#1876
On June 18 2012 02:25 gtrsrs wrote:
i can't get into the US server
anyone else having this problem?


lol noob
Type in thereisnourflevel
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 17 2012 17:27 GMT
#1877
is that bannable? isn't stuff like that only supposed to be used by RIOTers?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 17 2012 17:31 GMT
#1878
On June 18 2012 02:24 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:19 Flakes wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:54 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:43 Juddas wrote:
So I have never ever thought Ahri was underpowered until I saw this.

Lolking Mid

I think jax is the missing picture for top.

Nope it's Fiora! (you can tell by the mouse-overs) Representing the majority of players indeed.

On June 18 2012 02:09 TheYango wrote:
On June 18 2012 01:09 Craton wrote:
The reasons you should actually need to dodge are A.) someone is AFK or B.) you have to leave (aka you can't play)

This doesn't solve the first at all. People who are AFK will just stay in queue being placed into teams over and over and over, maybe eventually even getting to the point where you have an entire game full of AFKs. There are definitely going to be trolls who abuse this. At Elos where you have very long queues and there are few people queuing, doding an AFK costs you a significant amount of time and/or ends up placing you back into the same matchup.

The problem is that auto-randoming someone doesn't make sense the way drafting is implemented in LoL. It's a holdover from how drafting was done in DotA (if you go over the allotted time, your hero gets auto-randomed), but in DotA, drafting is all done by the captain, rather than going through players in sequence, so the only requirement is that the captain doesn't AFK.

If you don't select a hero AT ALL during the allotted time, it should re-queue everyone and kick you out of queue. If you want to hard random, you still have the option to lock in nothing. Auto-randoming simply doesn't make sense in solo queue in this context.

They could use a weighted random based on your most frequently played champs, but I also think they should just not accommodate AFKers.
(Also Yango you should mathcraft "most DPS on single item with no other DPS items" )


But like.. what's the point of doing some weighted random? If I'm not there to pick my champ there are a few cases:
a) I queue'd up, went afk, took too long and would like to play. Neither random nor weighted random would help in that case.
b) I queue'd up, my refrigerator caught fire and I won't come back. Neither random nor weighted random would help in that case.
c) I queue'd up, had all sounds off and.. I dno. I can't really think of more scenarios.

tl;dr: If you're afk, you should be kicked from queue without punishing anyone else. In case a) it kind of sucks, but I'd add a certain number of times people can dodge without repercussions and keep it secret from the general public. (like making a dodge via afk fine for 1/20 games for each game you already played this month or something similar.)

I queue'd up, alt-tabbed to play Megaman, came back once I heard "Welcome to Summoner's Rift," and I'd been given Darius. Basically perfect for Mogwai.
High elo queues can get pretty long, a lot of those players do other stuff while waiting, and also focus on a single role/lane in terms of champion picks. But yes as I mentioned I don't think they should accommodate AFKers.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 17 2012 17:45 GMT
#1879
On June 18 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote:
is that bannable? isn't stuff like that only supposed to be used by RIOTers?

If it was rioters only they should've released a tool/alternate launcher for rioters only.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 17 2012 17:57 GMT
#1880
finally got into the server, checked out all the new splash arts

they literally all look worse than the american counterpart pieces except for the TF ones and bloodfury renekton
i want refunds on all of these skins that i own, i don't even want to play amumu any more

ugh
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
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