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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 11 2012 08:06 GMT
#841
I just dont see how its any different from going into a solo queue game and people trolling and not picking support when they should... This game if they don't want to play support they don't need to .-.


Anyway 1k more IP and I can buy a 6300 IP champion. Probably Draven because I'm trying to learn AD
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 11 2012 08:13 GMT
#842
Buy ashe if you want to learn AD. She is really good, gives slow and I really like her ult
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 11 2012 08:19 GMT
#843
I naturally already have ashe ._.;
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
June 11 2012 08:22 GMT
#844
draven looks like one of the most complicated/mechanically intensive ADs in the game I dunno if that's really ideal for learning.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 08:51:58
June 11 2012 08:51 GMT
#845
On June 11 2012 17:22 valheru wrote:
draven looks like one of the most complicated/mechanically intensive ADs in the game I dunno if that's really ideal for learning.

Mechanical skill never been the issue for me (And I mean I've played AD some but I want something new, Draven seems like a lot of fun .-. )
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 11 2012 08:57 GMT
#846
If you really want to learn ad carry, learn to play caitlyn. she's the most basic of ad carries. she's always safe pick, and very dominant lane presence. if you want to learn how to trade in botlane, especially in a typical farm lane, she's probably the best carry to learn how to do it with, without getting punished too much for harass.
liftlift > tsm
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
June 11 2012 09:00 GMT
#847
I wouldn't suggest cait because she's trash.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 11 2012 09:11 GMT
#848
shes good
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 09:17:03
June 11 2012 09:16 GMT
#849
This calls for a poll!
Poll: Caitlyn

Decent (17)
 
57%

Good (11)
 
37%

Bad (2)
 
7%

30 total votes

Your vote: Caitlyn

(Vote): Good
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Decent


Because honestly, my friends seem to think she is trash and are vehemently against me playing her .
BW -> League -> CSGO
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 11 2012 09:18 GMT
#850
Blame them for not being able to ride on your lane advantage and close out before the enemy carry catches up. Well that only works if you won lane but that's what you should be doing as Cait.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
June 11 2012 09:27 GMT
#851
I think she's good, it's just that after all the little nerfs over time she is not able to dominate the whole laning phase anymore but rather needs to abuse her advantage in the early levels from 1-6. After that, strong laners can beat her in lane unless she absolutely crushed them before.

She has no real innate steroid except for her passive, but 650 range are still the same lategame and since ADs scale mostly with items she is pretty good lategame even though the doesn't provide the uber damage of a Vayne or Kog'maw.


I'd suggest you to have a look at Doublelift's guide on clgaming.net, he explains it very well and gives an IMO pretty accurate evaluation on her status quo.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 09:41:39
June 11 2012 09:40 GMT
#852
Just my 2 cents:
She doesn't have the burst damage of someone like Graves with his Q or Corki with his E (and don't get me started on Vayne), which is why she sometimes seems weak. However, her biggest advantage is the huge range which allows her to often win the lane easily if you play her right. In the lategame she falls off a little since Range is not much of an advantage anymore and her Q doesn't scale that well.

You really have to get a good advantage from the range early on and use the resulting CS advantage to get into the lategame on equal footing. Really one of the more farm dependant AD carries available.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
June 11 2012 09:46 GMT
#853
Alright, MLG has been and gone, Riot have surely been watching it carefully, what are their knee-jerk post tournament balance changes going to be?

Nautilus is probably going to be hit with a damage nerf on his W to slow clear time.

Any other takers?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 11 2012 09:46 GMT
#854
On June 11 2012 18:46 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Alright, MLG has been and gone, Riot have surely been watching it carefully, what are their knee-jerk post tournament balance changes going to be?

Nautilus is probably going to be hit with a damage nerf on his W to slow clear time.

Any other takers?

Graves?
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ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
June 11 2012 09:50 GMT
#855
Maybe, he was the most picked AD, but what do you think they'll change? Ult damage maybe?
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 11 2012 09:58 GMT
#856
I voted good on Cait, since it was originally about if she was good for learning AD. With the highest base AA range in the game, you can harass inbetween AAs, and if you can make use of your passive to deal solid damage from afar.

But when it comes to taking all AD carrys and their growth throughout a match, she is only decent. I would actually argue she "falls off" for an AD carry late game. She honestly seems toward the very bottom of a list on AD carrys.

Vayne, Kog, and Trist are the 3 best ADs come late game, with maybe Twitch hovering around there somewhere. After that it seems kinda shaky, but Corki, Graves, and Ashe all seem around the same level of usefulness, albeit Ashe is taken more for her utility and engage while the other 2 are meant to bully the enemy carry around in lane.

Her kit is just... meh really. Its great for laning phase and provides a bit more utility than most ADs in traps, but her ult is garbage compared to the other ADs. Q has decent poke, and she has a nice escape in her net.

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Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
June 11 2012 10:00 GMT
#857
if riot isn't lazy they will change other Ad carries instead of nerfing Graves. Honestly it's not like he dominated every game.

Karthus Wall will probably receive a slight late game nerf.

Kogmaw already getting nerfs.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 11 2012 10:02 GMT
#858
On June 11 2012 18:58 Cloud9157 wrote:
I voted good on Cait, since it was originally about if she was good for learning AD. With the highest base AA range in the game, you can harass inbetween AAs, and if you can make use of your passive to deal solid damage from afar.

But when it comes to taking all AD carrys and their growth throughout a match, she is only decent. I would actually argue she "falls off" for an AD carry late game. She honestly seems toward the very bottom of a list on AD carrys.

Vayne, Kog, and Trist are the 3 best ADs come late game, with maybe Twitch hovering around there somewhere. After that it seems kinda shaky, but Corki, Graves, and Ashe all seem around the same level of usefulness, albeit Ashe is taken more for her utility and engage while the other 2 are meant to bully the enemy carry around in lane.

Her kit is just... meh really. Its great for laning phase and provides a bit more utility than most ADs in traps, but her ult is garbage compared to the other ADs. Q has decent poke, and she has a nice escape in her net.


Best late game AD's in terms of damage is Twitch>Vayne~kog (depending on enemy team comps)> others.

I mentioned cait only due to her ease of learning, and she teaches you the very basics of how to play an AD without having the "oh i accidentally harassed at the wrong time, now this lane is going to snowball the shit into my fucking face
liftlift > tsm
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 11 2012 10:10 GMT
#859
If anyone needs nerfs it's anivia, retarded control, especially mid-late in the jungle and retarded damage without building any AP.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
June 11 2012 10:12 GMT
#860
I feel like Graves (Pick #1) and Corki (Pick #2) were popular because of their ability to assist in early (Level 2-5) ganks with their burst damage via Buckshot/Phospherous Bomb. Being able to have that burst+ignite combo to assist in an early gank with the jungler providing CC is really what wins games, or at the very least sets up the botlane to begin to 'snowball'. (God I hate that term)

I just don't think that its too imbalanced though. Its a specific strategy design to exploit the general tournament style of play. I.e. be conservative and dont get killed.
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