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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
June 11 2012 05:29 GMT
#821
On June 11 2012 10:14 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 07:50 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 11 2012 07:47 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Have a friend who used to build APwick. Was so stupid. Q them>regain lots of health+hurt them.


unlikely
even at high AP values in the current build, you were more likely to do higher %-based damage than flat AP damage
it was much better if you wanted to do a magic-damage nuking warwick build to get MPen and MReduction. i would get haunting guise, sorcs, abyssal when i was doing that build

that said, it was super troll and in no way better than any other standard AD or tanky warwick build

TL's residential WW expert has spoken



He's 1800 too man, you can't discount that cred.
http://broukej.cz/lol-signatures/GGod_na_103_4_logo.png
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 05:45:39
June 11 2012 05:44 GMT
#822
On June 11 2012 14:29 jcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 10:14 MooMooMugi wrote:
On June 11 2012 07:50 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 11 2012 07:47 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Have a friend who used to build APwick. Was so stupid. Q them>regain lots of health+hurt them.


unlikely
even at high AP values in the current build, you were more likely to do higher %-based damage than flat AP damage
it was much better if you wanted to do a magic-damage nuking warwick build to get MPen and MReduction. i would get haunting guise, sorcs, abyssal when i was doing that build

that said, it was super troll and in no way better than any other standard AD or tanky warwick build

TL's residential WW expert has spoken



He's 1800 too man, you can't discount that cred.

wtf are you guys talking about

edit: oh his sig

wait since when gtr is 1800? did you round up?
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 05:57:31
June 11 2012 05:56 GMT
#823
it's a joke mocking craton
like when he was 1700 and had "elo: season 2 - 2000+"

edit: that being said, i am definitely the resident skarner shyvana ww expert AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
June 11 2012 06:04 GMT
#824
I have never been in the 1700s since I broke 2k.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 11 2012 06:05 GMT
#825
On June 11 2012 14:56 gtrsrs wrote:
it's a joke mocking craton
like when he was 1700 and had "elo: season 2 - 2000+"

edit: that being said, i am definitely the resident skarner shyvana ww expert AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME

what if smash and shake started playing ww full time?
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 11 2012 06:40 GMT
#826
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 11 2012 06:44 GMT
#827
Then it would be forever to get a game because everyone would queue up as everything except Support
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 11 2012 06:45 GMT
#828
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.


Theoretically it is great.

However what stops someone from choosing support because it has the shortest queue times? Can you really define every champion as a support/AD carry/AP/top/Jungle?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 06:46:20
June 11 2012 06:45 GMT
#829
On June 11 2012 15:44 MooMooMugi wrote:
Then it would be forever to get a game because everyone would queue up as everything except Support

Of course it'd take longer but there's still support players and then there'd be no arguing about roles and everyone playing what they're good at
On June 11 2012 15:45 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.


Theoretically it is great.

However what stops someone from choosing support because it has the shortest queue times? Can you really define every champion as a support/AD carry/AP/top/Jungle?


Game assigns you a role you can pick w/e
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 11 2012 06:46 GMT
#830
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.


There are several problems with this:
-It assumes not only a static metagame, but also one with no variance. Curveball strategies like double Jungle or what-not become impossible to pick, limiting strategic variety.
-Presumably the queue for support would be much shorter (fewer players choose support), thus there is the risk of players going in to the support queue and then picking whatever they please. Who's to stop them, and how would this be handled differently from troll picks in the current system?

Honestly, I don't see a big problem with match-making as it is. Just be flexible, somewhat competent at everything, and let teammates know right away what you want to play and what you're bad at.
I am the Town Medic.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 11 2012 06:49 GMT
#831
It could work, but you'd need a harsh report/punishment system for people who are obviously just abusing it. If there was a swift and harsh punishment for people queuing as support and picking an AD, it could work, but people would still troll it anyway.

Too much hassle, not enough payoff imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 06:57:47
June 11 2012 06:54 GMT
#832
I dont see why youd need a different system for trollpicks than current one? Eventually people will figure out that queueing as support and picking AD doesnt give good games

Usually people trollpick because they dont get their role

Also querue times would be better with normal system so itd make no sense to use that

It'd just be an option anyway. Likely for normal games I guess.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 11 2012 06:58 GMT
#833
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.



already wondered it, too. Add a reportsystem, so you can report somebody who does not fulfill his assigned role. Should work fine.
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
June 11 2012 07:14 GMT
#834
I think something like a downvote system similar to SC2 Ladder maps would work better.

I can play Top,AD and support well but i'm horrible as jungle (unless i can play WW, everyone can jungle well with WW) and have no practice at all in mid, so i would just downvote Jungle and Mid and then it would find a game with players who can jungle and mid.

It would need a restriction for downvotes (2 or 3 would be ok) and then it should work well while still retaining relatively short queue times. On the pick screen it could show the roles you did (not) downvote so it's clear to others for what roles you are in the game.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
June 11 2012 07:18 GMT
#835
On June 11 2012 15:58 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.



already wondered it, too. Add a reportsystem, so you can report somebody who does not fulfill his assigned role. Should work fine.


I go support alistar, go up to mid and kill him. My AD dies 1v2 because he's retarded and can't count and I get 6-8 reports for not supporting properly. I also lose any chance of support zilean/ashe/nidalee/fiddle/anivia.

Having said that though I think it could work if you go the other end of the spectrum. Let people queue as a role but don't force them into anything, just leave champ select and the reporting system exactly the same.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 07:25:04
June 11 2012 07:24 GMT
#836
On June 11 2012 16:18 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 15:58 Chexx wrote:
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.



already wondered it, too. Add a reportsystem, so you can report somebody who does not fulfill his assigned role. Should work fine.


I go support alistar, go up to mid and kill him. My AD dies 1v2 because he's retarded and can't count and I get 6-8 reports for not supporting properly. I also lose any chance of support zilean/ashe/nidalee/fiddle/anivia.

Having said that though I think it could work if you go the other end of the spectrum. Let people queue as a role but don't force them into anything, just leave champ select and the reporting system exactly the same.

So why couldnt you support zilean or ashe or nidalee or fiddle or anivia again because of this system?

I mean don't you even read?

It'll just give you a top, mid, jungle, support or AD role. All champions are still open...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 11 2012 07:32 GMT
#837
You can't give people an excuse for acting like retards because they don't get the position they called. That's pretty much all that needs to be said.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 07:37:08
June 11 2012 07:35 GMT
#838
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.

You may or may not have already seen this, but this is Riots reasoning's on the matter.
http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/66940-wows-dungeon-finder-on-lol
I personally think that it may be good in theory but the pros don't outweigh the cons but then again I don't have much qualms with the current system.
All hail the glorious I sell T.Vs at Best Buy || #1 REQUIZEN FANBOI || IGN: .AK/BEST ANTIMAGE NA || Plat IV ADC Main
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 11 2012 07:45 GMT
#839
On June 11 2012 15:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 14:56 gtrsrs wrote:
it's a joke mocking craton
like when he was 1700 and had "elo: season 2 - 2000+"

edit: that being said, i am definitely the resident skarner shyvana ww expert AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME

what if smash and shake started playing ww full time?


no fear, i have an affinity for the wolf
i am of course referring to the oft-overlooked jungle warwick. not top lane. i've been the jungle ww zealot for years, everyone always be hating but i just keep winning what what
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
June 11 2012 07:55 GMT
#840
On June 11 2012 16:24 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 16:18 TheLink wrote:
On June 11 2012 15:58 Chexx wrote:
On June 11 2012 15:40 Shikyo wrote:
So how would you guys feel about "improved"/different matchmaking similiar to some MMORPGs?

You could queue as roles like AD, AP, top, jungle, support, and pick ones you're willing to do. Then the game sets the game up, assigns you to a role, and then everyone can play the role they want to play every game.



already wondered it, too. Add a reportsystem, so you can report somebody who does not fulfill his assigned role. Should work fine.


I go support alistar, go up to mid and kill him. My AD dies 1v2 because he's retarded and can't count and I get 6-8 reports for not supporting properly. I also lose any chance of support zilean/ashe/nidalee/fiddle/anivia.

Having said that though I think it could work if you go the other end of the spectrum. Let people queue as a role but don't force them into anything, just leave champ select and the reporting system exactly the same.

So why couldnt you support zilean or ashe or nidalee or fiddle or anivia again because of this system?

I mean don't you even read?

It'll just give you a top, mid, jungle, support or AD role. All champions are still open...


I did in fact read the conversation. The consensus was that this system could work as long as "trolls" were stamped down on hard. I am saying that if you stamp down on "trolls" like this then any support who does not play soraka/janna/alistar/taric/leona will pick up a ton of reports and get themselves banned.
Just the other day my team-mates were telling me how they were reporting me for picking Sona since apparently she isn't viable anymore. Now I couldn't care less because I know these reports won't turn into anything but if I fall into a category of people who apparently refused to play their role properly and get banned then that'd be bullshit.
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