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mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 10 2012 20:02 GMT
#801
how fast does the cow clear? he does have his q and his passive but i have no idea how much damage that does in the jungle, how fast is he compared to like shaco, is he aoe strong or does he end up having to auto attack shit to death?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
June 10 2012 20:02 GMT
#802
On June 10 2012 23:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 23:31 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 10 2012 22:43 Shikyo wrote:
What to do vs Draven as Vayne? He just deals twice my dmg and I cant even run away o_O

pray he fucks up or wait till u are farmed as fuck

I mean laning... As is the moment I try to lasthit he just fucks me up starting from lvl 1


You cannot trade at all from levels 1-3. He will win outright shot for shot throughout the game since his Q has more bonus damage than tumble and doesn't rely on tumbling first to activate the bonus damage. Draven does much more damage with his damage on Q than vayne since it has

Spinning Axe:
Bonus Physical Damage: 45 / 55 / 65 / 75 / 85 % of attack damage

vs

Tumble:
Bonus Physical Damage: 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 % of attack damage

The only way I've found to deal more damage to draven than he deals back as vayne is to tumble within short range, auto, condemn and auto while the condemn bolt is flying. With the silver bolt proc and condemn pushing him away compared to the one spinning axe+auto that draven can do, you win.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 10 2012 20:10 GMT
#803
On June 11 2012 05:02 mcimba42 wrote:
how fast does the cow clear? he does have his q and his passive but i have no idea how much damage that does in the jungle, how fast is he compared to like shaco, is he aoe strong or does he end up having to auto attack shit to death?

Ali clears pretty okayishly (HELL YEAH THAT'S A WORD) fast if you consider he's really one of THE strongest gankers in the game. I'd say he's faster than Shaco, especially after a couple levels in Q and/or Sheen.

But really, it barely matters as you're better off ganking a lot of the time.
currently rooting for myself.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 10 2012 21:12 GMT
#804
On June 11 2012 05:10 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 05:02 mcimba42 wrote:
how fast does the cow clear? he does have his q and his passive but i have no idea how much damage that does in the jungle, how fast is he compared to like shaco, is he aoe strong or does he end up having to auto attack shit to death?

Ali clears pretty okayishly (HELL YEAH THAT'S A WORD) fast if you consider he's really one of THE strongest gankers in the game. I'd say he's faster than Shaco, especially after a couple levels in Q and/or Sheen.

But really, it barely matters as you're better off ganking a lot of the time.


Yeah man, screw farming the jungle as Cow. Thats less time you could be tower diving like a boss and killing everything. Besides, I doubt your mid will complain they they get to take Wraiths and wolves whenever they up.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 21:19:49
June 10 2012 21:19 GMT
#805
http://www.youtube.com/taipeiassassins

TPA has uploaded some VODs from GPL week 4.

I'm kind of amused that TPA has the VODs up faster than Garena's own YT channel.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 10 2012 21:29 GMT
#806
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?
It's your boy Guzma!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 10 2012 21:42 GMT
#807
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Magewick used to be the best troll build.

<_<

No AP scaling on Ult though.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
June 10 2012 22:13 GMT
#808
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


I would sell my kidney for that skin. Best skin ever.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 10 2012 22:47 GMT
#809
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Have a friend who used to build APwick. Was so stupid. Q them>regain lots of health+hurt them.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 10 2012 22:50 GMT
#810
On June 11 2012 07:47 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Have a friend who used to build APwick. Was so stupid. Q them>regain lots of health+hurt them.


unlikely
even at high AP values in the current build, you were more likely to do higher %-based damage than flat AP damage
it was much better if you wanted to do a magic-damage nuking warwick build to get MPen and MReduction. i would get haunting guise, sorcs, abyssal when i was doing that build

that said, it was super troll and in no way better than any other standard AD or tanky warwick build
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 11 2012 01:14 GMT
#811
On June 11 2012 07:50 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 07:47 Cloud9157 wrote:
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


Have a friend who used to build APwick. Was so stupid. Q them>regain lots of health+hurt them.


unlikely
even at high AP values in the current build, you were more likely to do higher %-based damage than flat AP damage
it was much better if you wanted to do a magic-damage nuking warwick build to get MPen and MReduction. i would get haunting guise, sorcs, abyssal when i was doing that build

that said, it was super troll and in no way better than any other standard AD or tanky warwick build

TL's residential WW expert has spoken
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
June 11 2012 01:45 GMT
#812
On June 11 2012 07:13 Zhiroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 06:29 Requizen wrote:
New Teemo skin? Why not -.-

And why is there an AP scale on WW's Q % health portion? It's an... interesting idea, but what WW builds AP?


I would sell my kidney for that skin. Best skin ever.

I don't know about kidneys. But for 975 RP, I can arrange for you to have that Teemau Skin.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 02:00:35
June 11 2012 02:00 GMT
#813
EDIT: Wrong thread
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 11 2012 02:09 GMT
#814
I just played against a jungle cow. Farming mid as Veig 4v5 vs TF at level 2? Cow comes from behind. Knocks me back, knockup, I flash, TF flash stuns me... first blood. That's just not fair!
The good news is after that he stopped ganking me from behind.

We ended up winning though because yi and mf were good and our fifth cait finally joined when we were all level 10ish?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
June 11 2012 02:47 GMT
#815
So what happened to Udyr? I know this isn't the MLG thread, but I haven't seen him at all in either Jungle or Top lane during the tournament. I haven't seen him played in my games in a really long time either. Was the Turtle Stance nerf really that big? Does a new common top lane champ eat him alive or something?
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
June 11 2012 02:54 GMT
#816
hes been played 6 times
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 03:06:11
June 11 2012 02:56 GMT
#817
On June 11 2012 11:47 Sven Stryker wrote:
So what happened to Udyr? I know this isn't the MLG thread, but I haven't seen him at all in either Jungle or Top lane during the tournament. I haven't seen him played in my games in a really long time either. Was the Turtle Stance nerf really that big? Does a new common top lane champ eat him alive or something?

I think people realized he wasn't that special and had his weaknesses. Stonewall says he and skarner are just now outshined by other junglers. Wait no... nvm me

Btw has anyone tried out the new fiddlesticks? How are his new clear speeds?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 04:05:21
June 11 2012 03:26 GMT
#818
My level of derp has seem to gone up as of late. Could've been 10-3 in a game earlier but I seem to have a tendency to just fail miserably lol.

me and a bunch of people in my game just froze too lol.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 11 2012 04:08 GMT
#819
On June 11 2012 11:54 eagle wrote:
hes been played 6 times


Down from the pretty much 100% first pick/banned at IPL4.

I don't really understand why he was so randomly not top priority anymore. He just really sucks past midgame really. Dominates a lot of tops, and has awesome clear speeds.

Anyone care to elaborate what everyone discovered about him?
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 04:35:49
June 11 2012 04:27 GMT
#820
They have similar clear speeds in the jungle and counterjungle pretty well as well. Where Mundo shines more is that his disable is a ranged slow vs udyr's melee stun. Early game, he's more resilient to getting counterjungled than udyr as he's manaless. An udyr without blue is rather middling in speed. He's also better late into the game when he can throw cleavers to poke while udyr runs around with turtle eating poke. The biggest advantage in my books is that mundo can run an offensive summoner+smite rather than being forced to go flash+smite. Udyr has to be able to close to melee. Mundo just has to land a cleaver.

In regards to champion picks though it appears that CLG's trying to bring sona back. Her level 6 combos with aggressive/high burst ADs are sickening to see.

edit:: lane udyr

Same deal with jungle udyr, he's exclusively melee with no gap closer besides flash and bear. More popular top lane bruisers at mlg (irelia, shen, nidalee, malphite, jax) have ranged skills/harass/gap closers that aren't MS reliant.
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