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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 10 2012 09:34 GMT
#761
On June 10 2012 17:55 Lmui wrote:
Latest PBE patch notes.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/20655-unofficial-patch-notes

It looks like Froggen did his work. AP Kog is potentially getting nerfed even harder. Kog'll run oom faster than swain will.

AP WW may be a little more viable now that the percentage damage scales as well so it'll kill tanks too. I still think that bruiser/cdrwick is better though.

Kennen nerfs were a long time coming since more and more people have been playing him AD -> AP or just straight AD. His base AD was one of the highest among AD carries (3rd to twitch/graves). This just brings his base AD in line with most AD carries instead of being around AP carries.

I still think that buying mana pots is not worth it for most characters (The only exception for me is Ashe since her stupid arrow costs so much mana)

meh. mana pots are still gonna suck in 95% of situations. better mana management is sufficient for majority of cases and in the situations where proper mana management isn't sufficient (kog/swain cases of extended spell use) then you're going to have blue buff and mana pots wouldn't help either way.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
June 10 2012 09:38 GMT
#762
Apparently Rammus' taunt at lvl 1 is only 0.5 seconds now. I learned that the hard way when I tried to tower dive a riven at 100 hp and still died. Sad day. =(
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 10 2012 09:38 GMT
#763
mana pots are underused and awesome for a lot of situations
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 10 2012 09:50 GMT
#764
Remember how blue was nerfed and suddenly Anivia got popular (OP?) again? I wouldn't care too much about mana changes until you can actually see if it is an issue or not.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
June 10 2012 10:01 GMT
#765
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 10 2012 10:08 GMT
#766
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.

cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better.

Renekton more fun though imo.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 10:12:22
June 10 2012 10:09 GMT
#767
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.

If its the choice between those 2 depends if you really just want a pub stomper or a really solid,all purpose top laner.
Personally I hate Darius and I don't think he is as good as people cry and he is probably going to get nerfed because of the QQ even more,Renekton is a really really good pick right now.
He's like the old Irelia,he has some bad matchups but you can force renekton to work(and win!) against any lane if you know how to play him right.I'd go with him personally.
Oh yea jungle renek is pretty bad as far as I know,but Darius isn't the shining beacon of the jungle either.If your dead set on it you can make it work but both are just top laners and pretty bad in the jungle imo.
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Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 10:46:31
June 10 2012 10:30 GMT
#768
And how about Lee Sin or even Udyr? Even though he's 2x cheaper
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
June 10 2012 11:46 GMT
#769
Ehh too harsh kog nerfs
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
June 10 2012 12:01 GMT
#770
On June 10 2012 20:46 epoc wrote:
Ehh too harsh kog nerfs

AD Kog still feels a tad strong imo. I would've liked a 1-2 sec duration nerf on his W.

AP Kog requires better control and is less spammy now. It'll probably lose fotm but still be pretty good.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
June 10 2012 12:08 GMT
#771
On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.

cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better.

Renekton more fun though imo.


i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 10 2012 12:55 GMT
#772
On June 10 2012 21:08 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.

cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better.

Renekton more fun though imo.


i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be.

just as we were talking about this i see a jungle renek

really weird
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 10 2012 13:03 GMT
#773
On June 10 2012 18:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 17:55 Lmui wrote:
Latest PBE patch notes.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/20655-unofficial-patch-notes

It looks like Froggen did his work. AP Kog is potentially getting nerfed even harder. Kog'll run oom faster than swain will.

AP WW may be a little more viable now that the percentage damage scales as well so it'll kill tanks too. I still think that bruiser/cdrwick is better though.

Kennen nerfs were a long time coming since more and more people have been playing him AD -> AP or just straight AD. His base AD was one of the highest among AD carries (3rd to twitch/graves). This just brings his base AD in line with most AD carries instead of being around AP carries.

I still think that buying mana pots is not worth it for most characters (The only exception for me is Ashe since her stupid arrow costs so much mana)

meh. mana pots are still gonna suck in 95% of situations. better mana management is sufficient for majority of cases and in the situations where proper mana management isn't sufficient (kog/swain cases of extended spell use) then you're going to have blue buff and mana pots wouldn't help either way.

Well this is wrong, there's certain situations where mana pots are going to save the day in the most efficient way possible.

For example let's take Warwick vs Olaf. WW is fine as long as he has enough mana but gets harrassed off the lane when he runs out of it. From my experience he wins the trades slightly before running out of mana but afterwards he's going to just have to base. Now, you could buy doran rings to deal with the mana issue but an easier way is to just buy 1 or 2 mana pots, giving you the upper hand and possibly even forcing your opponent off the lane.

Another obvious one is Pantheon. Many times Pantheon will dominate until he runs out of mana, in many cases this will even be in a situation when he'd just need like 2 more spears to force the opponent off the lane. You can either build some expensive mana regen or spend 40 gold on the potion, force your opponent off the lane, make tower kill like 10 minions as they back, and you traded 40 gold into 10 minions and come out way ahead.


"Mana management" is very silly if your plan is to force someone off the lane, they'll just regen if you "manage" your mana.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 13:10:36
June 10 2012 13:06 GMT
#774
On June 10 2012 21:08 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 19:08 arb wrote:
On June 10 2012 19:01 Plague1503 wrote:
Yo I saved up 6500+ IP and I'm wondering whether to buy Darius or Renekton? I'm looking for a strong top lane bruiser with tanky dps potential and maybe sometimes jungling, kinda like Olaf or WW. I've heard only amazing things about Renekton but I've played lots of Darius free week and he's just a beast.

cant really jungle renekton and it be effective, can jungle darius a bit better.

Renekton more fun though imo.


i dunno, i thought the same thing (basically that renek's jungle was too slow), but the two times i saw it last month, it was not only quite fast (was on par with a noct, and i can't remember the other game too well), but strong ganks and whatnot. No clue what setup they had, but it made me think twice about how good jungle renek might be.

I tried it just now (bought Renek yay ^^) and even though we lost, I felt his jungle clear times were really really good, especially after Madred's/Wriggles. Fury'd W has a 3 times chance to proc Wriggles, buff monsters fall really fast and Q is amazing for clearing out low level creeps. E is pretty good mobility as well.
Pretty leash/HPot dependant 1-3 though, I'll try opening with a Vampiric or Regen+1Pot and see if that solves his early sustain issues.
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 10 2012 13:10 GMT
#775
I would never fury W, animation locks you for way too long, I think youd have more DPS right clicking, fury Q imo way better. Normal Ws are fine but I hate fury W
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
June 10 2012 13:11 GMT
#776
On June 10 2012 22:10 Shikyo wrote:
I would never fury W, animation locks you for way too long, I think youd have more DPS right clicking, fury Q imo way better. Normal Ws are fine but I hate fury W

Srsly? Even on Blue/Red/Drake w/Wriggles?
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-10 13:27:30
June 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#777
What to max second on renekton? All the popular guides say w but it makes no sense.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#778
Yeah because you get one extra attack off during the animation anyway and the stun doesn't matter, you're also losing out on a furied Q.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
June 10 2012 13:19 GMT
#779
On June 10 2012 22:14 Shikyo wrote:
Yeah because you get one extra attack off during the animation anyway and the stun doesn't matter, you're also losing out on a furied Q.

Cool cool ty for the protip
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 10 2012 13:43 GMT
#780
What to do vs Draven as Vayne? He just deals twice my dmg and I cant even run away o_O
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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