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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
July 03 2012 10:13 GMT
#4921
On July 03 2012 18:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 18:31 r.Evo wrote:
On July 03 2012 17:45 spinesheath wrote:
The only mistake there would be purple doing baron without enough time to do it and too weak to just turn on blue.
Blue doesn't force anything, they just abuse the mistimed baron attempt.

"Forcing a mistake" is nonsense anyways. Either an action is the optimal play, then it's not a mistake, or it isn't, but then it isn't forced because there exists another option.


It depends. The goal should be "if you put enough pressure on someone the likelyhood of him making a mistake increases" - That's usually what people mean by saying "You should try to force mistakes".

However, the basic problem in the wall of text above is: "lol game won by baron fight not by fight for inhibs lol". Nerf baron plz.


well the only things that teams try to stand their ground for are dragon and baron. teams will even cede inhibs.


And blue buff, its funny as hell when purple team cedes dragon then their mid goes Leeroy Jenkins the moment blue team steps up that ramp to the golem.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 10:15:47
July 03 2012 10:14 GMT
#4922
On July 03 2012 19:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
dat akali buff O_O

Yeah, that made me cringe...

I hate Akali so much Her kit is just abusive by its purest definition despite her energy limitations.


On July 03 2012 17:42 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Is it humanly possible to win mid TF vs malphite lol?

Good thing about TF is that even when you lose lane, you can snowball side lanes. And, I dunno about beating Malphite in lane. He's pretty hard to solo kill as any AP carry.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
July 03 2012 10:14 GMT
#4923
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 03 2012 10:16 GMT
#4924
On July 03 2012 19:14 GoSuChicken wrote:
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-

weren't most oriana players levelign W anyways? Oriana was always mana hungry; she was never not mana hungry.

If the QoL changes go through, which they should since they were in patch preview, she's probably still going to be in a good place. Oriana wasn't really even a bad champ prior to this patch, just underplayed. I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
July 03 2012 10:19 GMT
#4925
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 19:14 GoSuChicken wrote:
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-

weren't most oriana players levelign W anyways? Oriana was always mana hungry; she was never not mana hungry.

If the QoL changes go through, which they should since they were in patch preview, she's probably still going to be in a good place. Oriana wasn't really even a bad champ prior to this patch, just underplayed. I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.

mhm I always leveld Q because of the global cd making it hard to land w in lane. And the q has flat manacosts which makes you be able to go double dorans into dcap, which i prefer to RoA.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 10:21:30
July 03 2012 10:20 GMT
#4926
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath Viktor then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.

FTFY. Viktor more terrifying than Xerath imo. That ult just melts people wtf. And W such a good area control tool too.

Re Itemisation in LoL: New items are going to need to have good reasons to buy them as well as expand breadth of gameplay.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 03 2012 10:20 GMT
#4927
On July 03 2012 18:49 Morfildur wrote:
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On July 03 2012 18:27 De4ngus wrote:
looks like 600 hp at lvl 1 to me o.o


From what i understand, "per level" usually means "after the first level", so his health is still quite high but not that high.

He still looks very strong, similar to darius though with slightly lower base armor. The skill they will nerf first after release will be his E. On level 5 20% of the targets maximum life as magic damage... uhm... yeah... Vayne is getting jealous about that...

Then Vayne is like, lol magic damage, I do True Damage, so she isnt really jealous.

I think he'll be a pretty snowbally hero personally
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 10:23:26
July 03 2012 10:22 GMT
#4928
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 19:14 GoSuChicken wrote:
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-

weren't most oriana players levelign W anyways? Oriana was always mana hungry; she was never not mana hungry.

If the QoL changes go through, which they should since they were in patch preview, she's probably still going to be in a good place. Oriana wasn't really even a bad champ prior to this patch, just underplayed. I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.


With the last change to orianna (50 flat mana cost on Q), it was viable to level Q to try and dominate lane at the expense of teamfight AoE damage. The patch preview mentioned a cd reduction on her Q but I guess that didn't make it into the patch. The other thing that you'd have to see is the global cooldown change on orianna. Changing her responsiveness might do more than the numbers would tell. Also, her passive was apparently changed but there's no mention of it in the patch notes. It's possible that not everything made it into the patch/preview but i'll be hopeful that they left stuff out. Overall though, a lategame buff, her W+R is going to wreck teams that group even harder than it did before, something that's pretty good. Her sustained damage through using Q is going to go down though which I'm not quite liking.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 03 2012 10:22 GMT
#4929
If he can be played as AD bot I'll instabuy I think
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 03 2012 10:26 GMT
#4930
On July 03 2012 19:22 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:14 GoSuChicken wrote:
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-

weren't most oriana players levelign W anyways? Oriana was always mana hungry; she was never not mana hungry.

If the QoL changes go through, which they should since they were in patch preview, she's probably still going to be in a good place. Oriana wasn't really even a bad champ prior to this patch, just underplayed. I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.


With the last change to orianna (50 flat mana cost on Q), it was viable to level Q to try and dominate lane at the expense of teamfight AoE damage. The patch preview mentioned a cd reduction on her Q but I guess that didn't make it into the patch. The other thing that you'd have to see is the global cooldown change on orianna. Changing her responsiveness might do more than the numbers would tell. Also, her passive was apparently changed but there's no mention of it in the patch notes. It's possible that not everything made it into the patch/preview but i'll be hopeful that they left stuff out. Overall though, a lategame buff, her W+R is going to wreck teams that group even harder than it did before, something that's pretty good. Her sustained damage through using Q is going to go down though which I'm not quite liking.

honestly, I'd believe the patch preview more than the unofficial patch notes of the pbe server, but that's just me.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 10:40:02
July 03 2012 10:33 GMT
#4931
I get this feeling that if Jayce has sufficient range, maximizing W for 2.5 attackspeed on 3 shots for 40 mana cost on a short cooldown is going to be pretty lethal, making his level 1 one of the strongest in the game (Ashe I feel is still stronger, crit+volley is absurd at level 1). Since I'm assuming his W isn't affected by skills like ezreal's W, he'll be a pretty damn good counter to nunu lanes in trades although he'll still suffer in protracted fights.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 03 2012 10:42 GMT
#4932
black cleaver jayce gg
cool beans
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 03 2012 11:20 GMT
#4933
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 19:14 GoSuChicken wrote:
i looove the akali buff, but wtf what is riot doing to orianna? if you keep her like that you just HAVE to level w and that means shes manahungry as hell. I hate those changes -.-

weren't most oriana players levelign W anyways? Oriana was always mana hungry; she was never not mana hungry.

If the QoL changes go through, which they should since they were in patch preview, she's probably still going to be in a good place. Oriana wasn't really even a bad champ prior to this patch, just underplayed. I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.


Idk, last night I was playing a bunch of Ori games, maxing Q. Didn't really have trouble too much trouble with mana. I will probably start maxing W now depending on how much they buff the CD on Q.

And nobody will start playing Xerath, he is no fun at all.


On July 03 2012 19:20 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 19:16 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'm just waiting for Riot to slowly overbuff Xerath Viktor then laugh when he becomes fotm and everyone's wondering where the fuck he came from.

FTFY. Viktor more terrifying than Xerath imo. That ult just melts people wtf. And W such a good area control tool too.

Re Itemisation in LoL: New items are going to need to have good reasons to buy them as well as expand breadth of gameplay.


SHHHHHH
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 03 2012 12:50 GMT
#4934
I confess.. I find the Proving Grounds super fun and highly addictive.
Retvrn to Forvms
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 13:19:18
July 03 2012 12:59 GMT
#4935
On July 03 2012 21:50 Chrispy wrote:
I confess.. I find the Proving Grounds super fun and highly addictive.


All the fun of dominion without having to worry about stupid cap points.

Edit: Regarding Patch Notes

Alistar - doesn't do anything...at all

Gragas - nice little QoL buff. Not really needed with a defensive rune set up, but definitely nice for lane phase.

Janna - that's quite the hefty nerf. She'll still be good just because her kit is so strong, but that's a significant hit.

Lux - interesting buffs. Doubt it'll completely change how much she's played, but definitely nice little mana buffs.

Naut - it's a start

Orianna - they don't list the passive change or how much the CD on Q has changed. She's definitely gonna be OP now, the question is just how much

Soraka - holy crap, I guess they're neutering the most picked supports. I predict a big(ger?) influx of very aggressive supports like blitz/leona

Athene's - probably unneeded, but ok...

Ionic - *shrug*

QSS - decent nerf, but there needs to be some decision making for carries to make: more MR and shield from banshee's, or utility from QSS. I think it's a pretty good change.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 03 2012 13:18 GMT
#4936
Wtf, 30% armor AND resistance reduction for Jayce, on a low cooldown? Just wtf. And 20% max HP in magic damage is really obnoxious, obviously it isn't on such a short cd as Poppy's, but it's also a lot more at high levels.

I don't like the dredge line change for Nautilus, I bought LB 10 days ago on a smurf and was kinda shocked about distorsion huge cooldown at early levels, Dredge already felt very long before you had CDR, so now I'll feel pretty shoehorned into shurelya's or glacial and similar stuff rather than wit's or aegis even if I manage to get fed. Meh, really. Only being able to use it once in most teamfights is... :/

I don't feel that Sona's buff will change a lot of things, except maybe to charge a powerchord. Her mana issues always came from W for me, not Q.
Same with Rammus: I'd rather have some defensive bonuses from DBC back rather than some mana.
MF on the other hand is pretty nice, her E was barely leveled or used because of that.
Lux's cost reduction is quite huge too.

Janna's W cd nerf is the biggest of all imo, being able to have pretty much always a spell available was a big strength in later teamfights once you had some levels in each one and CDR.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 03 2012 13:26 GMT
#4937
akali's thing isn't a buff, it's a needed QoL thing. not gonna make a huge difference on her since no one levels E anyway

kennen range nerf is a godsend, oh thank heaven riot. maybe kennen will be beatable top lol jk he still has no mana costs, cc, and a free escape

alistar nerfs are gonna hit his jungle really hard when he doesn't have blue. he can basically ONLY gank if he wants to gank. he'll go oom trying to clear camps in between ganks, so that's good.

naut changes are good, ty riot

lux buffs are pretty hefty. maybe lux is a counter to orianna or something and they felt guilty about making orianna OPrianna so they buffed lux? idk

caitlyn's ult will soon be the only global if they keep extending it's range and decreasing everyone else's

ALL FOUR OF THE NEW SKINS ARE FUCKING AWESOME
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 03 2012 13:30 GMT
#4938
Anyone know what's the range on Jayce is in ranged mode?
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 03 2012 13:34 GMT
#4939
On July 03 2012 21:50 Chrispy wrote:
I confess.. I find the Proving Grounds super fun and highly addictive.


Proving Grounds is awesome fun and there's nothing to be ashamed about enjoying a plain ol 5v5 deathmatch.
Remember Violet.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 03 2012 13:38 GMT
#4940
Goodbye AP Kog, it was nice knowing you.
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