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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2012 20:18 Bwaaaa wrote: What made you think they would revert those nerfs? They were done awhile ago and it is rare for riot to flat out undo what they have done in a live balance patch. It's not rare at all. They just did with Nunu and Nunu was nerfed season 1 long long long LONG ago. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Anyone who's ever laned against Ori knows how much her AAs hurt. Now they are buffing it so you don't need to rely on mutiple AAs to get the damage out. Hopefully they just make the passive a bit stronger late game instead of touching the early component. The global CD buff is really nice for playing her, but, again, awful for those laning against her. One nice reprieve to laning against her was that she couldn't activate W immediately after Q landed. Now she'll be able to dish out a lot more damage much easier. If they're doing what I think they're doing, they are making Orianna's lane into beast mode. This, on top of her already huge utility, will more than likely move her to top tier mid. Don't get me wrong, having more good mids to pick from is awesome (especially Ori), but I think these buffs were definitely over the top. tl;dr I'm going to be playing a lot more Orianna now. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:48 Alaric wrote: Regarding Orianna (I didn't see the preview video), isn't it a weaker version of Ziggs' passive, but always available, basically? Buffed ratio in exchange of removing the stacks mechanic? I'm not sure exactly what they're doing to it. But yeah, it's sort of like Ziggs' without a timer. It's going to be really strong vs squishy mids (ie: all of them) On July 02 2012 21:56 h3r1n6 wrote: Oriannas passive is better for longer exchanges and she trades better than Ziggs due to her E anyway. Orianna is already one of my main champions and I'll gladly take any buffs, but this might be a bit much. Although less damage but faster cooldown on Q means going oom faster again. Do you build Chalice on Ori? Been a while since I've played her, gonna have to figure out how to build her again with these changes. | ||
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
and all the play holy crap these games are so good, these teams are so entertaining to watch | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 02 2012 21:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm not sure exactly what they're doing to it. But yeah, it's sort of like Ziggs' without a timer. It's going to be really strong vs squishy mids (ie: all of them) Do you build Chalice on Ori? Been a while since I've played her, gonna have to figure out how to build her again with these changes. With lower CD on Q, I might consider building Tear... | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
With Chalice and double dorans you shouldn't ever run out of mana currently, not sure how much Q is going to get changed, but I doubt it changes much. I only get chalice when I am getting denied blue buff. Edit: I wouldn't get Tear. It does nothing for your trading and you just purposefully make yourself weaker in lane, just to get a big manapool that you don't need and a bit more ap lategame. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On July 02 2012 22:44 -Zoda- wrote: I absolutely agree with gtrsrs about Karthus. His ult isn't that much of a problem imo, in fact he has been like this since the beta, why would they think it's a problem now. The strength of this champ is the fact that he can just regiflash in teamfight, die and still deal insane damage. Seems to me, the real issue is when a team gets more than 1 "good" global ultimate. Shit starts to get abit "unfair", because of how much pressure you can apply with a global heal (soraka) and global damage (karthus) when ganks happen later on in the laning phase. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 02 2012 22:44 -Zoda- wrote: I absolutely agree with gtrsrs about Karthus. His ult isn't that much of a problem imo, in fact he has been like this since the beta, why would they think it's a problem now. The strength of this champ is the fact that he can just regiflash in teamfight, die and still deal insane damage. Nah bro, he just butthurt by my Karthus rage ults (read: fat fingering E and ulting at random times...) | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
The only champ who I feel can reliably kill him without much risk is Kog'Maw, due to his extreme range. Tristana late game too. Requium is just the icing on the cake. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:40 zer0das wrote: Having played a lot of Karthus lately, I think the main issue with him is that it's difficult to render him irrelvant in a teamfight The only person on your team who has a really good chance of killing him in a position where he's mostly irrelevant is your AD carry, and even that can be quite dicey given wall of pain, and then the AP carry sort of- but I've found it's pretty easy to get a lead on most AP's by just playing hyper passive until your jungler comes along (or by just getting side lane kills), so the odds of them bursting you down if you've played well is quite low. Especially since one good wall of pain is all it takes and they're pretty much dead because the rest of your team is going to jump them immediately if they can. The only champ who I feel can reliably kill him without much risk is Kog'Maw, due to his extreme range. Tristana late game too. Requium is just the icing on the cake. A team that can kite a Karthus is a team that will win against Karthus. Edit: Ezreal, Olaf, Ahri, Ali, Janna - Pro anti Karth team right there | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: A team that can kite a Karthus is a team that will win against Karthus. Edit: Ezreal, Olaf, Ahri, Ali, Janna - Pro anti Karth team right there Also EZ, Ahri, Janna, Lee sin, Irelia is my ideal mobile team and can do it as well. | ||
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nmbr
United States79 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
to be clear. Ori didn't need buffs, q was hard to hit but it does so much damage on live you learn to bring it in from weird angles, or (in a team fight) people usually have no Fucking clue where the ball is and you can just send it in on the tank. I know I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth, or w/e the saying is but, I really don't like that q is getting changed. should be an overall buff but not to my current playstyle. (been going q first since the flat mana change.) | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 02 2012 22:07 Vlanitak wrote: holy shit anyone else watching hotshot stream atm, vs startale? I swear by god voyboy is fking houdini, escaped with jax after getting skarner ulted into 3 people. had to be 4 to take him down. and all the play holy crap these games are so good, these teams are so entertaining to watch Good time to be a CLG fan. :3 | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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