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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 02 2012 08:42 GMT
#4701
On July 02 2012 17:40 Chrispy wrote:
Early game brah.

Right but then I assume you use full apen runes for best effect, but that then makes the LW quite suboptimal. Then again, at like 2300 gold and 40 AD, it might still be the most cost-effective item for apen even if the remaining 40% penetration is rather tiny.


Also as a sidenote I played vs a 750 armor malphite, pretty crazy to think that even with LW it was over 400
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 02 2012 08:49 GMT
#4702
On July 02 2012 17:42 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:40 Chrispy wrote:
Early game brah.

Right but then I assume you use full apen runes for best effect, but that then makes the LW quite suboptimal. Then again, at like 2300 gold and 40 AD, it might still be the most cost-effective item for apen even if the remaining 40% penetration is rather tiny.


Also as a sidenote I played vs a 750 armor malphite, pretty crazy to think that even with LW it was over 400

I cannot imagine that thing dying at all.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 02 2012 08:51 GMT
#4703
Ryze and Cass do.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#4704
Selling LW for Madreds was a pretty good decision.


By the way, on Urgot you build Bruta -> Frozen Heart -> GA -> Maw -> ?

Or is that the build people generally consider the most viable?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 02 2012 09:14 GMT
#4705
On July 02 2012 17:49 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:42 Shikyo wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:40 Chrispy wrote:
Early game brah.

Right but then I assume you use full apen runes for best effect, but that then makes the LW quite suboptimal. Then again, at like 2300 gold and 40 AD, it might still be the most cost-effective item for apen even if the remaining 40% penetration is rather tiny.


Also as a sidenote I played vs a 750 armor malphite, pretty crazy to think that even with LW it was over 400

I cannot imagine that thing dying at all.


To use one of those modern expressions:
A wild AP carry appears... it's super effective.


With 750 armor there is no way to build much magic resistance or health, there is no way that malphite would survive a direct encounter with almost any ap carry.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 02 2012 09:23 GMT
#4706
On July 02 2012 17:26 Shikyo wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:23 PrinceXizor wrote:
oh god, my favorite thing to do is to pick evelynn vs physical damage champs top lane. like riven/ren/pantheon/ect. sooo fun.

her passive + 21 in defense means you can literally just right click the enemy, and they can't do anything about it, if they attack back they get a full wave attacking them while you don't so you win that fight. your heavy amounts of armor make them deal little damage too. <3 but i mean you could just pick a good top lane and be more useful overall. but yeah you can shut down quite a few top lanes with a defensive eve.

Doesn't Fizz do that and the rest of the game about 478329473928 times better?

Actually no fizz takes 5-10 damage/shot from the first wave. evelynn takes actually 0.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 02 2012 09:34 GMT
#4707
Yay Orianna buffs! Love this.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
July 02 2012 09:39 GMT
#4708
LeBlanc was my favourite champion before my break a few month ago. No other champion caused so much rage when i jumped under the tower, combo'd for a kill and then jumped back before the opponents could react or jumped over a wall, QRE, kill & jumped back into safety.

I mostly stopped playing her because when i got counterpicked or had a bad game, the team flamed twice as hard because of "troll pick".

Maybe with the buffs i'll get a chance to pick her back up.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 02 2012 09:56 GMT
#4709
On July 02 2012 18:14 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 17:49 Shiragaku wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:42 Shikyo wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:40 Chrispy wrote:
Early game brah.

Right but then I assume you use full apen runes for best effect, but that then makes the LW quite suboptimal. Then again, at like 2300 gold and 40 AD, it might still be the most cost-effective item for apen even if the remaining 40% penetration is rather tiny.


Also as a sidenote I played vs a 750 armor malphite, pretty crazy to think that even with LW it was over 400

I cannot imagine that thing dying at all.


To use one of those modern expressions:
A wild AP carry appears... it's super effective.


With 750 armor there is no way to build much magic resistance or health, there is no way that malphite would survive a direct encounter with almost any ap carry.


What if 750 armor Malphite initiates on the AP carry first? With Unstoppable Force it's pretty easy. Also, an AP carry blowing their CDs on Malph is an AP carry not blowing CDs on the enemy carries. There are lots of possibilities to bring up in a case by case basis, but man, it forces the AP carry to make the decision which can be hard if the Malph has a team right behind him.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 02 2012 09:56 GMT
#4710
On July 02 2012 18:39 Morfildur wrote:
LeBlanc was my favourite champion before my break a few month ago. No other champion caused so much rage when i jumped under the tower, combo'd for a kill and then jumped back before the opponents could react or jumped over a wall, QRE, kill & jumped back into safety.

I mostly stopped playing her because when i got counterpicked or had a bad game, the team flamed twice as hard because of "troll pick".

Maybe with the buffs i'll get a chance to pick her back up.


I think part of the reason why LB fell out was the rise of MR runes. If you come to lane with 50+MR, you are quite unlikely to be combo'd by LB, and a large portion of LB's power comes from a snowballing lane phase. That said a fed LB is still one of the scariest things to be around.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
July 02 2012 09:58 GMT
#4711
Orianna is going to be so incredibly good after the patch, gonna be too good.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 02 2012 09:58 GMT
#4712
Man this sucks. I was in queue and already picked and then got disconnected and it seems the game didn't kick me but started the game. Now the game won't start...
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 10:38:16
July 02 2012 10:37 GMT
#4713
I don't understand how they can acknowledge global ults as too strong and than flat out ignore TF with the nerfs....
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 02 2012 10:41 GMT
#4714
On July 02 2012 19:37 Shadowpostin wrote:
I don't understand how they can acknowledge global ults as too strong and than flat out ignore TF with the nerfs....

They ignored noct also, because their ults aren't global anymore.
Shadowpostin
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 10:47:24
July 02 2012 10:46 GMT
#4715
Nocturnes ult is like half the range of a TF ult.Yea,it's not "global" but 5500 range is not much of a handicap for a mid lane that can instantly clear a creep wave and than just go wander off a few steps away from the lane to gank your ass.
allow me to demonstrate the skill of shaolin
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 02 2012 11:01 GMT
#4716
On July 02 2012 19:37 Shadowpostin wrote:
I don't understand how they can acknowledge global ults as too strong and than flat out ignore TF with the nerfs....


You can probably argue that they forgot Ezreal/Draven....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#4717
On July 02 2012 19:46 Shadowpostin wrote:
Nocturnes ult is like half the range of a TF ult.Yea,it's not "global" but 5500 range is not much of a handicap for a mid lane that can instantly clear a creep wave and than just go wander off a few steps away from the lane to gank your ass.

nocturne ults range is laughably small at low ranks, hardly global worthy.

same with tf(except his is kinda ehh to begin with) not nearly as bad as it once was
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 11:14:47
July 02 2012 11:14 GMT
#4718
im sad no kass nerf reverts :[
i still think nerfin both the Q range and R cd was completely unnecessary.
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
July 02 2012 11:18 GMT
#4719
On July 02 2012 20:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
im sad no kass nerf reverts :[
i still think nerfin both the Q range and R cd was completely unnecessary.

What made you think they would revert those nerfs? They were done awhile ago and it is rare for riot to flat out undo what they have done in a live balance patch.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
July 02 2012 11:46 GMT
#4720
There are 4 fountain to fountain range global ults that are 'easy to use' that cannot be really be countered. Three of them got nerfs. GP is the only one that did not changed, but that might be because 1) He is rarely played 2) His ultimate is slightly different in its mechanics compared to the other three.

Karthus > Press button for damage, can only be countered by CC on a Karthus during the channel, If this happens you deserve to be interupted because only a terrible player would put themself in that sort of position outside of clutch flash->cc plays.
Soraka > Press button for heal. Cannot be countered unless Soraka is CC'd or dead.
Shen > Press button (and click an ally) for Shield and tele. Can only be countered by CC on Shen as he channels.
Gangplank > Press button and click to lay a big AoE slow and damage area.

The other global ults (Ashe, Ezreal, Draven) are all projectile based skill shots. They can be countered by dodging.

It seems to me that Riot looked at the global skills and did a checklist:
Fountain to Fountain? It is a true global skill.
How is the skill used?
-> Press button for skill effect: This has few counters, we think it needs a change.
-> Is it a projectile based skillshot? Not inherantly imbalanced, players can dodge these.

Riot obviously didn't change TF (and Panth & Nocturne to a smaller extent) because while they have long range, they are not truly global.
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