EPT[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 235
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On July 02 2012 13:42 OutlaW- wrote: Yes, obviously. I'm talking about before level 9. I know the recent trend has been to camp top lane, but camping mid lane is still very viable, especially with such a strategy that overt is talking about. Before level 9, you cannot instantly clear creeps and will therefore be pushing (but not completely). The other guy can wait until the creeps have reached just outside of tower range and then push equally as TF - thus freezing the lane. This forces TF to overextend and be killable by really almost any jungler or miss a lot of CS. If he wants to last hit from range with Q, he will lose at least half CS. TF is very good at controlling the creep wave. He has two AoEs and a mana-refunding nuke. A good TF will never push the wave unless he wants to and should always be able to freeze lane/push as hard as the other mid. As for the issue about warding, the same can be said about every other roaming mid. I don't understand why there is a big debate about it really, since it cannot be said that TF has a lower gank threat than Kassadin or Ahri. This is why (good) TFs shine in premades. Every jungle gank becomes a 3v1 or a 4v2. By the time you report TF missing, he's pretty much already ulting and 90% of the time, it will still result in a kill and in the other 10%, almost always at least a flash. Sure, his gank isn't riskless, but whose is? I never claimed TF to be too strong in solo queue, but he definitely has the potential to be, depending on picks and team coordination. TF is weaker as a pure AP carry in the lategame, but when he is played right, he can dictate the positioning of the other team, delay objectives, and he can still weave in and out of teamfights to provide continual CC and burst, and constant poke. | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On July 02 2012 14:33 Perplex wrote: He was really really good and really really underplayed, but they recently nerfed him pretty hard by messing up his ultimate. They claim that a rework is on its way, but there wasn't anything in the patch preview about it so I wouldn't hold your breath. So it's not worth it? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
He's strong enough that if you've played him and enjoy it you will not have wasted your ip or get flamed excessively for your mid pick. If you haven't tried other strong(er) mid champs maybe check out the pbe realm and test them to see how the play styles feel for you. | ||
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
sidenote: nicegametv is holding a 10mill ￦ lol tourny in korea in august iirc I feel like: TLKorea ASSEMBLE! That prize sounds extremely yummy. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
archangeloid is a fucking BEAST, man. Every time I see him, no matter how badly his team feeds, he's tearing it up, even with his retarded brutalizer last whisper build. If somebody makes a fan club for this guy I want in. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 02 2012 14:21 wussleeQ wrote: This. He's really not that big of a threat late game compared to a lot of others. First of all, with a laning advantage his late early game / early mid game are absolutely beastly. Also, he's just about the best anticarry in the game(After poppy) after finishing his lich bane. It's not just about dueling, his damage output is nuts and he's able to avoid focus with his E. His ult is also one of the very best in the entire game. He's only weak in the lategame if he gets there on even footing or slightly behind, but that should never happen if his laning phase goes decently. Just his lich bane burst with just a Q with W active has a 1.3 AP ratio(With the W damage ticking in after the chunk this causes giving it the damage amplification), with it proccing the Lich Bane effect as magic damage (Meaning it doesn't get ruined by your nonexistent armor and most champions having more armor than mres), and secondarily, of course, his ultimate is one of the very best in the entire game, along with of course the best skill in the game(Playful/Trickster). I guess he hasn't been explored enough, but if people learn to counterpick him properly against easy lanes for him, he could become the next FOTW. By the way anyone else notice the bug that if you are in the panth circle as it appears, even if you use for example a corki W and flash to get away, he'll still stun you from like 2500 units away? I guess it has infinite range assuming you have vision. It seems like it gains the target when you use the stun while in the circle and then it hits no matter what, much like how Garen ult seems to work. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Any champion except Evelynn is worth buying if you think you'd enjoy them. If you like playing like a pussy but even AD carries are too scary for you then you might enjoy Xerath. Personally, Xerath is the least fun champion I have ever played in LoL. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:16 overt wrote: Any champion except Evelynn is worth buying if you think you'd enjoy them. If you like playing like a pussy but even AD carries are too scary for you then you might enjoy Xerath. Personally, Xerath is the least fun champion I have ever played in LoL. Even eve is worth buying it if you think you'd enjoy her, you can make her work it just takes a little bit more effort than most champs. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:16 overt wrote: Any champion except Evelynn is worth buying if you think you'd enjoy them. If you like playing like a pussy but even AD carries are too scary for you then you might enjoy Xerath. Personally, Xerath is the least fun champion I have ever played in LoL. Try Yorick. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
edit: I've played Yorick. He was more fun than Xerath imo. I main AD carry so you'd think I would like someone who has crazy range. But I didn't. At all. I think it was because Xerath doesn't kite or anything he just does a big burst from far away and then you walk backwards with your dick in your hand for like ten seconds before you're capable of doing anything else. Was not fun in any way for me. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
her passive + 21 in defense means you can literally just right click the enemy, and they can't do anything about it, if they attack back they get a full wave attacking them while you don't so you win that fight. your heavy amounts of armor make them deal little damage too. <3 but i mean you could just pick a good top lane and be more useful overall. but yeah you can shut down quite a few top lanes with a defensive eve. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:23 overt wrote: Eve not worth it because no matter what someone on your team will shit talk you for most of the game. Even if you do well as her. People always shittalk regardless of what you play and how you play. #1 rule of lol is to not give a shit about trashtalk and just enjoy your game. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Call me crazy but I enjoy blocking skillshots with W, autoattack animation canceling with Q, and using ult effectively. Especially using W for vision in brushes is a really nice feature that not nearly all champions have available to them. Then just add the 1v1 situations where you mash your keyboard like crazy and see the enemy health dropping like a brick into a well while yours is basically going up even while they continuously pummel you, along with "Hahhahhahhaa Ehhehehehehee" and I think that there's still enough interesting things about him, as long as you try to optimize your play somewhat. On July 02 2012 17:23 PrinceXizor wrote: oh god, my favorite thing to do is to pick evelynn vs physical damage champs top lane. like riven/ren/pantheon/ect. sooo fun. her passive + 21 in defense means you can literally just right click the enemy, and they can't do anything about it, if they attack back they get a full wave attacking them while you don't so you win that fight. your heavy amounts of armor make them deal little damage too. <3 but i mean you could just pick a good top lane and be more useful overall. but yeah you can shut down quite a few top lanes with a defensive eve. Doesn't Fizz do that and the rest of the game about 478329473928 times better? | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:26 Shikyo wrote: Call me crazy but I enjoy blocking skillshots with W, autoattack animation canceling with Q, and using ult effectively. Especially using W for vision in brushes is a really nice feature that not nearly all champions have available to them. Then just add the 1v1 situations where you mash your keyboard like crazy and see the enemy health dropping like a brick into a well while yours is basically going up even while they continuously pummel you, along with "Hahhahhahhaa Ehhehehehehee" and I think that there's still enough interesting things about him, as long as you try to optimize your play somewhat. This is called being an asshole ! Xerath has his fun moments as well, you can do crazy ass snipes if you run CV on him, or just ward well :D Overwall ward into combo is sexy  | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:10 UniversalSnip wrote: I've been speccing a lot since having it on in the background theoretically doesn't conflict with doing my schoolwork and good lord... archangeloid is a fucking BEAST, man. Every time I see him, no matter how badly his team feeds, he's tearing it up, even with his retarded brutalizer last whisper build. If somebody makes a fan club for this guy I want in. Yeah. Dat true dmg Heartseeker. It's like the old school Panth. edit: Damn Regi listening to Scooter. This brings me back. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 02 2012 17:29 HazMat wrote: Yeah. Dat true dmg Heartseeker. It's like the old school Panth. edit: Damn Regi listening to Scooter. This brings me back. Can someone explain the bruta to me? I don't think the ~9 armor pen is really worth it... | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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