[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 239

On July 03 2012 02:52 Offhand wrote:


Don't really need damage or tankiness when you have 4 CCs.

On July 03 2012 02:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Sej has a very good kit for arranged 5s - something I've said since her release.

Unfortunately for her, Nautilus was release immediately after her, and seeing how hard his kit outclasses hers, it's no wonder people glanced right over her in the two weeks before Naut's release.

They need to hit something on Naut - either his damage or his tankiness. He does way too much right now, especially with the busted range and hitbox of his hook.

On July 03 2012 02:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:


My point exactly.

On July 03 2012 02:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:


My point exactly.

On July 03 2012 03:08 Seiuchi wrote:


I think the problem with most Xypherous champs is that he makes concepts that are so strong ability wise that they're overpowered unless the numbers are just completely neutered. (Taking away Orianna's damage and range, Lulu's scaling being reduced to nothing, etc).

The only way to really solve Nautilus would be to hammer W so much it's difficult for him to jungle, at which point he probably just becomes the better version of Leona bot.

On July 03 2012 03:09 Offhand wrote:


I was hoping they'd hit one of the CCs instead.

On July 03 2012 03:18 UniversalSnip wrote:
makes more sense to me to hit the damage. The cc is what makes him fun, the damage is what makes him broken. What is special about killing someone with good damage and mediocre cc? The overlap is huge (nocturne for example). Killing someone with mediocre damage and good cc, on the other hand, is a nice, non-generic niche.

On July 03 2012 03:17 Shikyo wrote:

Being able to CC is fine, in my opinion.

However, even without any dmg items he deals insane amounts of damage with W and his survivability is incredible even with just small amounts of defensive items.

Things that could probably be changed:

1. Reduce W shield. That will reduce his damage as well because it'll be easier to break

2. His ult is just insanely strong. Shorten the projectile's maximum travel distance so you can actually run + flash away from it

3. Dredge Line mana cost / range nerf


Another champion I dearly hope gets nerfed soon is Malphite. He's insane as solo top and potentially also as a botlane support, from what I've seen. A better version of Nunu for that, basically. Nautilus as well is incredible as a botlane support and gives so much utility with so few items that he outscales just about every traditional support while having a super strong laning phase.

On July 03 2012 03:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well, see, it's a niche that Sejuani had for 2 weeks with a permaslow and a really great ult initiation. Riot then shoved this hard cc-bot with good damage into the game, and lo-and-behold, Sej no longer has her own niche.

On July 03 2012 04:00 GoSuChicken wrote:
so sad about the damage reduce/cd reduce on oris q...
This makes her easier and less fun to play -.-

On July 03 2012 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:


As far as malphite goes, not enough data for the nerf, yet. Malphite does have some weak lanes, and his ability to cs is sort of weak, compared to more traditional top lanes. He does feel extremely strong though despite almost usually losing in cs to his top lane match up, because his scaling is good with extremely cheap items (tank items). However, that being said, a highly farmed/fed malphite is only approximately a little better than a malphite that just did okay in his lane, he doesn't exponentially get stronger when fed (like an AD carry).

On July 03 2012 03:17 Shikyo wrote:

Being able to CC is fine, in my opinion.

However, even without any dmg items he deals insane amounts of damage with W and his survivability is incredible even with just small amounts of defensive items.

Things that could probably be changed:

1. Reduce W shield. That will reduce his damage as well because it'll be easier to break

2. His ult is just insanely strong. Shorten the projectile's maximum travel distance so you can actually run + flash away from it

3. Dredge Line mana cost / range nerf


Another champion I dearly hope gets nerfed soon is Malphite. He's insane as solo top and potentially also as a botlane support, from what I've seen. A better version of Nunu for that, basically. Nautilus as well is incredible as a botlane support and gives so much utility with so few items that he outscales just about every traditional support while having a super strong laning phase.