EPT[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 224
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UniversalSnip
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samthesaluki
914 Posts
On July 01 2012 15:24 HazMat wrote: I suggest anyone playing Ezreal to try out maxing W first. It's so good. You don't notice a loss in Q dmg that much becuase you rarely get to use it in trades and when you do it still scales off bonus dmg so it hits decent. And the W is guaranteed dmg and the 40% aspd loss is big big big. i dont know if your trolling still but i have been doing this i only picked up ez when pfe came out but having great success | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On July 01 2012 15:24 HazMat wrote: I suggest anyone playing Ezreal to try out maxing W first. It's so good. You don't notice a loss in Q dmg that much becuase you rarely get to use it in trades and when you do it still scales off bonus dmg so it hits decent. And the W is guaranteed dmg and the 40% aspd loss is big big big. Its great if you have bluebuffs or soraka to feed you mana, otherwise you just run oom way too much. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 01 2012 15:32 samthesaluki wrote: i dont know if your trolling still but i have been doing this i only picked up ez when pfe came out but having great success Not trolling. Saw aphromoo do it and thought it'd be stupid but tried it and it's sick. @qualm: eh not really, just don't over spam it. Only do it on hard engages if you don't have raka. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 01 2012 15:34 Qualm wrote: Its great if you have bluebuffs or soraka to feed you mana, otherwise you just run oom way too much. this was especially true before one of the recent patches, but they lowered the mana cost so it's a lot more manageable now as long as you don't spam. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
The reason is two-fold: 1) it scales better per level than Q, 2) you can't miss W. Enemies can get behind a creep or ally to dodge your Q. If you're remotely capable with skill shots, W shouldn't miss. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On July 01 2012 16:09 HazMat wrote: I honestly notice no difference in my Q dmg lol. All I use it for is to reset auto early and by the time I use it for dmg I'm already 13. It's sick :D I feel like the only reason to max Q over W would be for lower CD of Q but that would be needed only when you have your ult, like spamming it and have blue buff. Aka super niche :p | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
It's like a free turbo nunu snowball in every engagement. You also don't spam it during lane to harrass if you don't have a soraka, you just use it in engagements and enjoy their AD dealing 0 dps | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On July 01 2012 14:59 PrinceXizor wrote: because it's called ias... and just building somethign else because you don't want to work hard at the optimal build is exactly the kind of lazyness that is inherent in the LoL community and especially the pro teams. They don't have to improve their play any, because they are not in danger of any up and comings, because there is no system for the up and comings, so no one practices as hard as they should. It's also why euro/american teams will be horribly horribly outmatched within a year to chinese/korean teams. they don't put in the work when they can just do something easier. why do sair/reaver when if you screw up you are far behind? oh yeah, because you get further ahead when you do it well and can outright win because of it. same concept. just improve your play, and stop taking shortcuts. But your build isn't better. It does the same damage if you can somehow juggle 2 axes, which you can't because it compromises your positioning. You said it yourself that you don't play AD, maybe you should stop trying to teach us a role you don't even play? For the rest of your post, if you have been following the pro scene at all over the past 6 months you should realize how ridiculous you sound. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
where were they during the whole ezreal vs corki debate some months ago, where ezreal was a shittier vers of corki........ | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 01 2012 16:32 barbsq wrote: ppl are just now realizing that ezreal's 40% AS reduction is a big fucking deal? where were they during the whole ezreal vs corki debate some months ago, where ezreal was a shittier vers of corki........ But no one thought to max W over Q since Q is Ezreal's bread and butter spell. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On July 01 2012 16:37 HazMat wrote: But no one thought to max W over Q since Q is Ezreal's bread and butter spell. hey, let me feel vindicated in peace. After all, I havn't seen TD around, so we need a hipster, 'I told you so' kind of character around. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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IMoperator
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Everyone, including pros, so stream lined into Q max first. Maybe if Ezreals has gone W max first months ago, OddOne wouldn't have so much hate for him?!? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 01 2012 16:47 IMoperator wrote: Can someone please go over basic jungling? I tried reading a guide and got tips from my friends on how to do it, so I went master yi but I completely failed. I never know when to try to gank, and what order to kill the forest minions. I know blue first, but after that I'm lost. I got way way behind in levels and couldn't ever really catch back up. Thanks for the help. Hmm, I suggest learning Warwick jungle first and foremost. Gank whenever ulti is up. At your level, don't be afraid to camp certain lanes hard. Read Smash's WW guide and reread TD's. Come back with specific questions. I responded to your very general one (when to gank) above. Jungle paths are listed in multiple threads in our subforum. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On July 01 2012 14:59 PrinceXizor wrote: because it's called ias... and just building somethign else because you don't want to work hard at the optimal build is exactly the kind of lazyness that is inherent in the LoL community and especially the pro teams. They don't have to improve their play any, because they are not in danger of any up and comings, because there is no system for the up and comings, so no one practices as hard as they should. It's also why euro/american teams will be horribly horribly outmatched within a year to chinese/korean teams. they don't put in the work when they can just do something easier. why do sair/reaver when if you screw up you are far behind? oh yeah, because you get further ahead when you do it well and can outright win because of it. same concept. just improve your play, and stop taking shortcuts. I don't understand what you're trying to say. If you have the mechanics to juggle one axe, with PD+IE and can do it reasonably well, you're doing as much damage as someone who has IE+BT playing pretty much perfectly. I fail to see how if you misposition where the axe will land with IE+BT, it'll turn out better than if you misposition the axe with IE+PD. If you're unable to reach your axe, your DPS falls off dramatically since your W isn't refreshed. In that scenario, IE+PD will leave you with 20% more dps than IE+BT. The math has been done and IE+PD is, from my analysis, superior to IE+BT in every scenario damage output-wise. Of course, I wouldn't know how the math pertains to real games and scenarios since I've only played draven this free week a handful of times. On a slightly different topic though, when I play any AD, frozen heart+randuins is the bane of my existence. It's pretty much impossible to kill people with that in a reasonable amount of time. When late game comes around and the only AP on the field for your team is TF and the enemy udyr has randuins, FH, GA, mercs, wits and shurelya's, life sucks. You have a bear beelining for you at a retarded speed that slows everything about you down to glacial levels and unless you're kogmaw or vayne, he won't die at any appreciable speed. On the other hand, nunu vayne is retardedly good if you can make it to level 6 on an even footing. If they're anywhere near halfway, you can go into the bush, ulti+tumble out and just all-in them. Nunu's snowball+ulti means that they have to run away since their AD does almost nothing. | ||
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