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On July 01 2012 16:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
@barbsq: no idea. I personally don't play Ez or AD much in general but it's surprising why no one picked up on this until recently, h4h4.
Everyone, including pros, so stream lined into Q max first.
Maybe if Ezreals has gone W max first months ago, OddOne wouldn't have so much hate for him?!?
I suspect that avoiding W max was a holdover from some time ago when A) ezreal was solo laning, and B) pretty sure it was before the global mana-regen buffs that riot put in place, and at that point maxing W first was thought about, and was considered less optimal because it was just too mana intensive, but no1 bothered revisiting it. Probably been a good number of ezreal tweaks since then as well, but don't remember specifics.
edit: I feel like the last time W max was seriously discussed on TL was shortly after riot drove the proverbial nail in the coffin of AP ez by sticking an AD ratio on his ult.
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On July 01 2012 16:47 IMoperator wrote:
Can someone please go over basic jungling? I tried reading a guide and got tips from my friends on how to do it, so I went master yi but I completely failed. I never know when to try to gank, and what order to kill the forest minions. I know blue first, but after that I'm lost. I got way way behind in levels and couldn't ever really catch back up. Thanks for the help.
I'm not sure how new you are so I'll give you the most basic possible explanation.
The first thing is that no matter how much you know, you just shouldn't bother without any runes and masteries. To make it worthwhile you would probably need armor yellows (which you use on everyone anyway) and level 21.
Once you have those, the order in which you do jungle camps becomes flexible. Open cloth armor and chug your potions, as long as you save your smite for red/blue camps you can pretty much do w/e you want. Some orders are much much much better than others but you will figure that out very quickly and get a few paths you like.
Yi is not very good at ganking until he hits level 6 and he's not especially good at it once he is six, mostly you will want to farm. When you see your opponents doing something stupid, like sitting in lane with low health or chasing into your jungle without considering your presence, go kill them and your hero will suddenly become really good at everything. That is pretty much the entire gameplan for jungle yi, wait for them to mess up and then suddenly get fed and kill everybody.
Very common mistakes for new players who are jungling:
- Wait forever for a gank that realistically has no chance of producing any benefit.
- Wander around the map looking for a gank. Any time you spend walking around, you are actively losing experience and gold. Unless your jungle is pretty much picked clean, never wander up to a lane hoping conditions will become favorable for a gank by the time you get there. You need to decide before you go somewhere what you are expecting to happen, and if that outcome doesn't seem good don't waste time going there.
- Wandering into enemy jungle/river for no reason. Very dangerous.
- Trying to gank when low on health. Trying to towerdive early. The laner will kill you for this.
- Always going the same way when they gank. There are actually many angles you can approach from. For example, try sitting in the lane bush before going in instead of coming in from the side.
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On July 01 2012 17:06 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 16:47 IMoperator wrote:
Can someone please go over basic jungling? I tried reading a guide and got tips from my friends on how to do it, so I went master yi but I completely failed. I never know when to try to gank, and what order to kill the forest minions. I know blue first, but after that I'm lost. I got way way behind in levels and couldn't ever really catch back up. Thanks for the help. I'm not sure how new you are so I'll give you the most basic possible explanation. The first thing is that no matter how much you know, you just shouldn't bother without any runes and masteries. To make it worthwhile you would probably need armor yellows (which you use on everyone anyway) and level 21. Once you have those, the order in which you do jungle camps becomes flexible. Open cloth armor and chug your potions, as long as you save your smite for red/blue camps you can pretty much do w/e you want. Some orders are much much much better than others but you will figure that out very quickly and get a few paths you like. Yi is not very good at ganking until he hits level 6 and he's not especially good at it once he is six, mostly you will want to farm. When you see your opponents doing something stupid, like sitting in lane with low health or chasing into your jungle without considering your presence, go kill them and your hero will suddenly become really good at everything. That is pretty much the entire gameplan for jungle yi, wait for them to mess up and then suddenly get fed and kill everybody. Very common mistakes for new players who are jungling: - Wait forever for a gank that realistically has no chance of producing any benefit. - Wander around the map looking for a gank. Any time you spend walking around, you are actively losing experience and gold. Unless your jungle is pretty much picked clean, never wander up to a lane hoping conditions will become favorable for a gank by the time you get there. You need to decide before you go somewhere what you are expecting to happen, and if that outcome doesn't seem good don't waste time going there. - Wandering into enemy jungle/river for no reason. Very dangerous. - Trying to gank when low on health. Trying to towerdive early. The laner will kill you for this. - Always going the same way when they gank. There are actually many angles you can approach from. For example, try sitting in the lane bush before going in instead of coming in from the side.
Hey, thanks a lot man. I'm gonna probably by Dr. Mundo tomorrow and give jungling another try. 
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the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul.
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On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul.
yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously.
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http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26357085#26357085
Sweet, looks like Lux is getting a buff next patch. Might not be what she needs though. Personally, I think her Q and maybe her E need to have a pretty big cooldown reduction, because those 2 spells and then her ult is a good combo, but after you hit your first two spells you literally can't do anything. I play Lux most of the time, and I hate it when we get into team fights or opponents are chasing us because I cannot do anything for about 10 seconds at a time after my spells are cast. Lategame I can't really do much damage with anything other than my ult, so that also sucks. Just altogether, Lux has a decent early game, strong midgame, and then really weak lategame.
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the last thing the game needs are more just random spammable spells.
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On July 01 2012 17:58 PrinceXizor wrote:
the last thing the game needs are more just random spammable spells.
Really? Riot could just buff it by like 1.5-2 seconds and it would be fine. Right now her Q and E are 11 and 10 seconds, respectively @ max. I also can't stress how useless she is in between spells, you literally can't do anything other than ignite her passive. They're all still skill shots, it's not like they're super easy to pull off.
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On July 01 2012 17:53 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul. yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously.
Why are you so angry LOL
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On July 01 2012 18:22 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 17:53 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul. yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously. Why are you so angry LOL
He's a Prince, they're always angry and spoiled. Maybe he has to wed some ugly cow.
User was warned for this post
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The consenus was "W is cool but too mana-expensive, don't max it since your B'n'B is Q anyway".
On June 30 2012 14:32 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 14:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Top lane: Who is Irelia a solid pick against at the moment? She trucks Vlad. Olaf trucks her. Besides those matchups I can't think of much she can't handle. She basically has trouble vs burst lanes (e.g. Wukong) but once she hits her "critical mass" (some lvls in W, some resists) there isn't much that can push her out of lane. Dno, I'd still say she's among the most solid top picks. =S
When I don't get killed level 1-2, I usually E Olaf as soon as he Es me, then activate hiten style and the true damage+improved sustain tends to make me win the trade, more and more as my level in W increases. I usually beat Olaf with Irelia. Is it because I should "die" early on (read "or get zoned") and they aren't playing it right by Eing me on every occasion from level 1?
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On July 01 2012 18:26 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 18:22 HazMat wrote:On July 01 2012 17:53 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul. yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously. Why are you so angry LOL He's a Prince, they're always angry and spoiled. Maybe he has to wed some ugly cow.
Do we honestly need to say things like this...?
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RE: Lux i like her cooldowns how they are now, it makes her choosing to act being a real choice.
if her Q/E combo was every 8 seconds, then you'd just be able to throw it out over and over again and it'd take alot of the decisions away from her. her spells drastically alter the battlefield (all 4 of them), and so they need to be carefully used as opposed to throw away stuff. I mean take ziggs playstyle. He can afford to just throw out bombs because if he misses oh well it'll be up again soon. they took a cool sill based character and took away a lot of his depth through his cooldowns.
Maybe it's just my preference for dota's style of spellcasting that makes me feel this way, but i love characters that have deep meaningful impact on their spells and have to carefully pick targets and times to cast. usually LoL characters only have that choice about their ultimates.
As for the prince comment. lol <3 if only you knew who princexizor is. lol he's a star wars character who is a crime lord.
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tbh, it won't fix whats wrong with her.
everytime i've played lux, i've never had a mana problem. (then again i've played quite a bit of dota and dota 2, mana costs are far more punishing).
Everyone complains about her mana costs, but it really isn't what makes her weak.
also her q costs are equivalent to morgana's. people are far too spammy with it.
in fact its her laning phase and mid game phase, that makes lux somewhat scary. what makes her laughably bad isn't the mana costs, its her shitty lategame dmg output.
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I have the utmost respect for Prince Xizor. Duder's a gangster. Literally. He's the head of the Black Sun, a super badass Criminal Organization. Has his own private robot chick of doom and everything. Duder's pretty cool.
Seriously however, people far too tense. Lux buffs are welcomed because to be frank she's one of those champions no matter how well you do you can easily end up losing despite playing pretty well. I am hoping some buffs will shine light on how much fun she is to play but how horrid she kinda falls off at a certain point.
Star Wars and a Lux pun, good times.
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On July 01 2012 18:56 wei2coolman wrote:tbh, it won't fix whats wrong with her. everytime i've played lux, i've never had a mana problem. (then again i've played quite a bit of dota and dota 2, mana costs are far more punishing). Everyone complains about her mana costs, but it really isn't what makes her weak. in fact its her laning phase and mid game phase, that makes lux somewhat scary. what makes her laughably bad isn't the mana costs, its her shitty lategame dmg output.
lux shifts from a nuker to a counter pushing + counter initiation specialist late game, i like her alot for that reason. very dota-esque to have inconsistent roles.
Honestly i think her build should be something like:
ROA/Void Staff/ cdrboots/Locket/reverie or grail
not that order but those items. it'll let her nuke heavily int he mid/early game, and then act as an amazing counter pusher. clearing waves immediately over and over, and be great as a counter initiator. if the tank goes in, pop locket, throw shield, throw E to slow incoming carries and throw out that ult to discourage them from engaging with the tank.
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On July 01 2012 18:58 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 18:56 wei2coolman wrote:tbh, it won't fix whats wrong with her. everytime i've played lux, i've never had a mana problem. (then again i've played quite a bit of dota and dota 2, mana costs are far more punishing). Everyone complains about her mana costs, but it really isn't what makes her weak. in fact its her laning phase and mid game phase, that makes lux somewhat scary. what makes her laughably bad isn't the mana costs, its her shitty lategame dmg output. lux shifts from a nuker to a counter pushing + counter initiation specialist late game, i like her alot for that reason. very dota-esque to have inconsistent roles.
the problem is her lategame is just bad, even in that role of counter pusher + counter initiation.
pretty much morg does everything lux does, except better, and more efficiently.
the biggest change to lux, is that they need to make it so her shield spell doesn't completely suck balls, because lets face it. your teammates dodge your shield better than they dodge ashe arrows, and kog ulti's.
what I think lux needs to be more viable.
1) E needs better slow scaling, reduce base damage, increase ap ratio.
2) Q needs like 1-1.5 sec cd reduction, Increase the ap ratios/damage done to first target, lower the newly buff'd damage for the 2nd target hit.
3) her lazer scaling blows, turn that .75 to .85, and maybe lower the base dmg a little.
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On July 01 2012 19:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 18:58 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 01 2012 18:56 wei2coolman wrote:tbh, it won't fix whats wrong with her. everytime i've played lux, i've never had a mana problem. (then again i've played quite a bit of dota and dota 2, mana costs are far more punishing). Everyone complains about her mana costs, but it really isn't what makes her weak. in fact its her laning phase and mid game phase, that makes lux somewhat scary. what makes her laughably bad isn't the mana costs, its her shitty lategame dmg output. lux shifts from a nuker to a counter pushing + counter initiation specialist late game, i like her alot for that reason. very dota-esque to have inconsistent roles. the problem is her lategame is just bad, even in that role of counter pusher + counter initiation. pretty much morg does everything lux does, except better, and more efficiently. the biggest change to lux, is that they need to make it so her shield spell doesn't completely suck balls, because lets face it. your teammates dodge your shield better than they dodge ashe arrows, and kog ulti's. what I think lux needs to be more viable. 1) E needs better slow scaling, reduce base damage, increase ap ratio. 2) Q needs like 1-1.5 sec cd reduction, Increase the ap ratios/damage done to first target, lower the newly buff'd damage for the 2nd target hit. 3) her lazer scaling blows, turn that .75 to .85, and maybe lower the base dmg a little.
could just let her passive stack up to 3 times. and ignore all of that.
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On July 01 2012 17:53 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul. yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously.
Frankly, this is kinda annoying. You were bad at the game, uninstalled, but keep insulting the LoL community and the game itself. If you decided that you're done with the game, be done with it. You're acting like someone who broke up with his girlfriend and badmouths her whenever he can.
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On July 01 2012 19:15 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 17:53 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 01 2012 17:26 De4ngus wrote:
the china teams been maxing w on ezreal for a while now lul. yeah, chinese teams actually practice. instead of stumbling on good builds while trolling solo queue, they practice and try new things seriously. Frankly, this is kinda annoying. You were bad at the game, uninstalled, but keep insulting the LoL community and the game itself. If you decided that you're done with the game, be done with it. You're acting like someone who broke up with his girlfriend and badmouths her whenever he can.
frankly, this is kinda annoying. you don't know what you are talking about and still are talking. :/
the LoL pros don't take the game seriously enough, it's pretty much accepted that until recently they barely even practiced.
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