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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 01 2012 02:10 GMT
#4421
On July 01 2012 10:47 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:46 HazMat wrote:
He could have been bad.


99% chance actually.

Probably, however... The Q is going to deal the same amount of damage no matter how good of a player he is, and I know for a fact that if you spam E you will run out of mana rather quickly with Ezreal.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 01 2012 02:25 GMT
#4422
Why would Ezreal spam E vs a poppy though. Don't stand against a wall and walk back when she walks up to you.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 01 2012 02:28 GMT
#4423
All good Ezreal's spam E to last hit.
Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 01 2012 02:38 GMT
#4424
On July 01 2012 11:28 Chrispy wrote:
All good Ezreal's spam E to last hit.

I see you bought PFE!
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 01 2012 02:38 GMT
#4425
pretty sure the real pro ezreals use w to last hit
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 01 2012 02:43 GMT
#4426
Jungle Ezreal Max W first. Creeps attack you so slow you pretty much take no dmg. trust me.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
July 01 2012 02:44 GMT
#4427
You guys made me make put yawning smiley face on my profile. I feel so cool now.

Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 01 2012 02:44 GMT
#4428
Of course Shikyo had to ruin it.

SIGH
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
July 01 2012 02:58 GMT
#4429
So I think anyone who bought PFE got a survey sent to them :O
Did you guys get them?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 01 2012 03:04 GMT
#4430
On July 01 2012 11:25 HazMat wrote:
Why would Ezreal spam E vs a poppy though. Don't stand against a wall and walk back when she walks up to you.

Because with Poppy's W and higher base movespeed that's going to be difficult
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 01 2012 03:04 GMT
#4431
On July 01 2012 11:58 Abenson wrote:
So I think anyone who bought PFE got a survey sent to them :O
Did you guys get them?

I didn't get one, although I just bought it this afternoon.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
July 01 2012 03:05 GMT
#4432
On July 01 2012 11:58 Abenson wrote:
So I think anyone who bought PFE got a survey sent to them :O
Did you guys get them?

I didn't get one, but I didn't buy him.
I DID get paid 100 bucks to play 3 games of lol for a study riot had commissioned tho. Was on tracking players eye movements. Was pretty cool, but mayb that's just cause I'm doin my masters in cog sci research
CaffeineFree-_-
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States712 Posts
July 01 2012 03:05 GMT
#4433
Via email? No :/ bought mine release HOUR
We say we love flowers, yet we pluck them. We say we love trees, yet we cut them down. And people still wonder why some are afraid when told they are loved
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 03:15:48
July 01 2012 03:08 GMT
#4434
On July 01 2012 12:04 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 11:25 HazMat wrote:
Why would Ezreal spam E vs a poppy though. Don't stand against a wall and walk back when she walks up to you.

Because with Poppy's W and higher base movespeed that's going to be difficult

Can Soraka really sustain Poppy using W and Q as her only means of harass. Especially since she also has to heal because Ezreal will get 2 q's and autos off when poppy walks back after the trade.
edit: idk theorycrafting is useless and never actually leads to anything as we all know. Just keep doing it and if it works great for you, but I really doubt it's a good lane.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 03:34:41
July 01 2012 03:25 GMT
#4435
On July 01 2012 10:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
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On July 01 2012 10:09 Sermokala wrote:
you can't really count on different matchups going the way they should in solo q. you also can't expect people to know what to do when a gank happens so you actually get a kill and would rather say that your a shitty jungler for having bad ganks. you have to learn to be content with knowing that you're actually doing a good job.

My weakness is my lack of being at the right place at the right time for ganks. I'm going to learn panth now so I can have a larger map presence. I got to learn mumu at some point seeing how popular he is right now on na.

Also being reliant on catching axe's in a teamfight will ruin your usefulness instantly if have to stop auto attacking to go and catch an axe instead of auto attacking again.

my point is. YOU DON'T unless you build a PD.

you can catch axes while shooting 100% of attacks with 30% IAS outside of your bloodrush. every point of IAS after that causes waste when you catch axes.


I don't care if you're flash you're not going to be doing 100% of auto attacks while chasing down axe's by the time you get the money for ie and bt. having axe's for that extra burst is nice but when your attack animation starts getting near your attack speed delay any real movement is going to kill your dps. you can't stutterstep ala sc2 marines inbetween auto attacks to get axes to make the bt worth more then the pd.


Also wouldn't lee sin do everything poppy does in this situation except better beacuse he doesn't need a mana champ like soraka and can use someone like ali for that extra pingpong. I saw ali lee sin bot lane on the na server and it did pretty well against an ez something bot lane. It didn't really matter because they heavily out damaged early and once ults came up they were able to peel away one of the duo completely from the other and kill them.

I guess its like sivir mid where its just really good meta gaming taking a mobile melee brusier bot to kill the other ad carry.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 03:25:46
July 01 2012 03:25 GMT
#4436
It used to be a fairly decent lane back when soraka didn't have a 5 year cooldown on heal. Now such a lane just wouldn't have enough sustain vs a ranged AD + support. Especially not an earlygame lane dominate lane like ez + taric. They'd just get poked down then comboed.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
July 01 2012 03:32 GMT
#4437
Alright, numbers for Trinity vs PD paired with an IE.

Base DPS
Trinity does ~715 dps vs ~800 with IE+PD
Activating every sheen proc (I'm going to assume you hit W every 2.5 seconds, which is pretty fair I'd say, add 15 dps to trinity if you believe every 2s is more accurate (it's not)),
Trinity does ~780 dps vs ~800

If I factor in draven's Q, IE+PD wins again since IE gives higher AD than Trinity.

Long story short, do not build trinity over PD on Draven. The main reason you can do it on ezreal/corki is that ezreal's Q applies on hit effects and sheen makes his Q hit like a truck and he has AP ratios. Same deal with corki, his AP ratios are decent, he has a LOT of spammable skills and benefits from every stat on triforce.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 01 2012 03:32 GMT
#4438
On July 01 2012 12:08 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 12:04 Shikyo wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:25 HazMat wrote:
Why would Ezreal spam E vs a poppy though. Don't stand against a wall and walk back when she walks up to you.

Because with Poppy's W and higher base movespeed that's going to be difficult

Can Soraka really sustain Poppy using W and Q as her only means of harass. Especially since she also has to heal because Ezreal will get 2 q's and autos off when poppy walks back after the trade.
edit: idk theorycrafting is useless and never actually leads to anything as we all know. Just keep doing it and if it works great for you, but I really doubt it's a good lane.

Dunno, only played that lane once. Had no problems with health though and they did their best to bring it down. Truth is that full hp poppy vs full hp ezreal might in theory be even, however half hp poppy vs half hp ezreal is a huge advantage to poppy because of how her passive works.

Also I didn't really have mana problems doing WEQ(on flat, not even to wall) -> retreat, as just 2 of them bring Ez into kill range and then he really can't trade as aggressively because if he gets into exhaust range it's GG.

I'll play this more tomorrow and I'll keep you informed.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 03:33:54
July 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#4439
If I could have a team of 5 poppies I would.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 01 2012 03:41 GMT
#4440
Team of 5 Sorakas.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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