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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 01 2012 07:08 Shikyo wrote: Poppy botlane (as the carry) is going to be a new meta, for sure! Freefarm -> in lategame she pwns enemy AD carry so you are 5v4, easy. Might need ranged AD top but. Freefarm? How are you going to snowball on the minions when a decent enemy botlane can just deny you. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2012 07:31 JackDino wrote: Freefarm? How are you going to snowball on the minions when a decent enemy botlane can just deny you. Hmm I don't think that they can, poppy is very very durable and resilient. If you pair her with alistar they just might snowball the lane in their favor with some successful wall kills | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
poppy works better 1v1 ;P Edit: And you could do the same thing top lane. Free farm -> pwn enemy carry late game. you don't even need AD carry top =D | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On July 01 2012 07:13 Requizen wrote: Oh boy, more picking Ez in ranked just to play the new skin -.- Will say first PFE I played with in ranked went 10/0 after I said in lobby 'please don't suck, I think I was lucky there though. When I get captain I still ban ez every game though :D . | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I really want to see top teams all go into a tournament. Then everybody is broken up and randomly assigned teams. It could be pure random, or they could keep their normal lanes... I think I'd prefer pure random so you could maybe see some people in lanes you're not used to seeing them. I think it'd be really interesting to watch how certain people end up working together. Make it so you can't have any normal teamates on their team. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2012 08:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I just thought of something I'd really like to see... I really want to see top teams all go into a tournament. Then everybody is broken up and randomly assigned teams. It could be pure random, or they could keep their normal lanes... I think I'd prefer pure random so you could maybe see some people in lanes you're not used to seeing them. I think it'd be really interesting to watch how certain people end up working together. Make it so you can't have any normal teamates on their team. So how's that different from super high elo solo queue anyway? | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
That said I've been smurfing and I've only had one person pick PFE ez in like 10 games. On July 01 2012 07:57 tobi9999 wrote: Just wondering, has Shikyo ever been right with his crazy opinions? Extremely unlikely, though if you say enough crap enough times eventually one of them will ring true. Think of the old "if you give an infinite number of chimpanzees an infinite number of typewriters and time they'll eventually write Shakespeare." It's just a matter of time. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On July 01 2012 08:24 Shikyo wrote: So how's that different from super high elo solo queue anyway? Effort. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 01 2012 07:10 Lmui wrote: I assumed the best case scenario for BT+IE in which you both catch the axe and throw it immediately. In both cases with PD/IE and IE/BT, the travel time of the spinning axes is the same (I assumed 2.5s to throw/receive it). My method to add dps from Q was to take base AD*0.85/2.5 and add that to the base dps. Add double that if you're juggling double axes. I might have a slightly different interpretation of results than you but the way I see it, IE+PD means you're much less reliant on catching axes. With IE+PD, you gain ~80dps by catching axes, 160 with double off a base dps of 800. With BT+IE, you have a base dps of 675 and gain ~113 dps/axe. Just by purely autoattacking, IE+PD does more damage than IE+BT. If you can juggle one axe with IE+PD, you have almost the same dps as someone with IE+BT juggling two. The relevant calculation tools can be found in this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341468¤tpage=3 "reliant on catching axes" isn't relevant to playing a character at the highest possible level. Ezreal can be played without being "reliant on hitting skillshots" but if you aren't hitting your skillshots you are not playing ezreal as best as you could be. so yeah IE PD is better on draven if you suck with him but if you play him at the best possible level, IE PD is inferiour to IE BT. and i'd rather just get better with the character and mechanically, than do a cop out build to make things easier. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Also catching axes is terrible late game, you sacrifice all mobility on an immobile champ. This is not some dps meter WoW raid you need to be able to move with variation. Catching axes has more things to it than technical skill. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13937 Posts
My weakness is my lack of being at the right place at the right time for ganks. I'm going to learn panth now so I can have a larger map presence. I got to learn mumu at some point seeing how popular he is right now on na. Also being reliant on catching axe's in a teamfight will ruin your usefulness instantly if have to stop auto attacking to go and catch an axe instead of auto attacking again. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On July 01 2012 08:51 PrinceXizor wrote: "reliant on catching axes" isn't relevant to playing a character at the highest possible level. Ezreal can be played without being "reliant on hitting skillshots" but if you aren't hitting your skillshots you are not playing ezreal as best as you could be. so yeah IE PD is better on draven if you suck with him but if you play him at the best possible level, IE PD is inferiour to IE BT. and i'd rather just get better with the character and mechanically, than do a cop out build to make things easier. The problem with this is that Ezreal shoots his skills from quite a safe range and he can re-position himself instantly in the middle of a fight. You don't have to commit yourself to potentially dangerous and useless positions to fully make use of his skills in a team fight. The same things can't be said about Draven. One moment or another, you will be put into a situation where you have to let your axes fall in the middle of a fight due to positioning issues. edit: that being said, I am also curious if building trinity over PD is better on Draven like many other posts have said earlier in this thread (IE+Trinity vs IE+PD). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 01 2012 07:57 tobi9999 wrote: Just wondering, has Shikyo ever been right with his crazy opinions? poppy works better 1v1 ;P Edit: And you could do the same thing top lane. Free farm -> pwn enemy carry late game. you don't even need AD carry top =D Hmmm I just actually tried Soraka / Poppy lane and we won super easily vs Taric / Ezreal. In the early game had a few close calls but due to my passive I baited them a bit. After lvl 4 or so you can just EQ on cooldown because of soraka mana spam and the Ezreal was taking 30% hp per Q and around 50% hp per Q after I finished sheen (Quite fast as I rushed it). After lvl 6 every time ult was up Ezreal was dead, after 2 deaths they laneswapped ezreal top and galio came bot, however after that I just killed the taric instead whenever he had wasted the stun. At least that experiment felt strong  14-4 doubling Ezreal's farm | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On July 01 2012 10:46 HazMat wrote: He could have been bad. 99% chance actually. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 01 2012 10:09 Sermokala wrote: you can't really count on different matchups going the way they should in solo q. you also can't expect people to know what to do when a gank happens so you actually get a kill and would rather say that your a shitty jungler for having bad ganks. you have to learn to be content with knowing that you're actually doing a good job. My weakness is my lack of being at the right place at the right time for ganks. I'm going to learn panth now so I can have a larger map presence. I got to learn mumu at some point seeing how popular he is right now on na. Also being reliant on catching axe's in a teamfight will ruin your usefulness instantly if have to stop auto attacking to go and catch an axe instead of auto attacking again. my point is. YOU DON'T unless you build a PD. you can catch axes while shooting 100% of attacks with 30% IAS outside of your bloodrush. every point of IAS after that causes waste when you catch axes. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11515 Posts
On July 01 2012 10:09 Sermokala wrote: you can't really count on different matchups going the way they should in solo q. you also can't expect people to know what to do when a gank happens so you actually get a kill and would rather say that your a shitty jungler for having bad ganks. you have to learn to be content with knowing that you're actually doing a good job. My weakness is my lack of being at the right place at the right time for ganks. I'm going to learn panth now so I can have a larger map presence. I got to learn mumu at some point seeing how popular he is right now on na. Also being reliant on catching axe's in a teamfight will ruin your usefulness instantly if have to stop auto attacking to go and catch an axe instead of auto attacking again. Actually, it is not THAT complicated, especially in soloqueue. Generally speaking, the most important thing you do as a jungler is buy wards and ward for lazy people who don't do it themselves. This alone wins more games then any amount of ganks you could possibly do. Always get every creepcamp you pass unless something very urgent is where you are headed. If the lane is near your tower, go there and gank. If it is near their tower, you might go there and ward/countergank. If a lane is pushed, but an enemy wave is forming, go there and lanegank. Get timers, or at least a relative idea of when buffs spawn. You don't really need an intimate knowledge of lane matchups to jungle, though i must admit that i am not playing at an incredibly high level either. Still, i think wards are the most important thing a jungler does in solo. I basically always buy 2-3 when i b, and place them at key spots laners dont ward because they like dieing to ganks and then flaming you much more then spending 75 gold on an item that does not help them punch people. Also, watch at the map not only from your perspective, but from an enemy junglers perspektive too. "If i were the enemy, where would i gank?" Can often let you be there in time and save your lane/produce kills in a countergank. | ||
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