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On June 29 2012 16:00 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 15:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On June 29 2012 15:22 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 29 2012 15:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On June 29 2012 15:13 broz0rs wrote:
question regarding support champs: when is it better to get GP5s as opposed to multiple d-rings? ....Always? The only people I ever see get Drings as support is Lux, and there's a reason you don't see Lux support in high level play. I guess kill lanes you probably can as some support. There's just not enough gold to get reliable items if you don't get gp5 as support. It'll take you forever to get more than your starting items and 1-2 drings. That means fewer wards, later boots, etc etc. it used to be super popular (pre recent dorans nerf) to get 3 Drings on most supports. now... it's immensely less popular, but only a 60 hp loss still probably as effective, the key was knowing exactly how many wards you need each trip back and buying a dring if you had enough after that, this was also when supports were the only role buying oracles early, so they needed the extra life I don't see the usefulness of going drings. Acquiring a solid aura item or two while maintaing ward efficiency takes long enough w/ gp5 as it is. Without it, aren't you left with a support who can't do much of anything in the late-mid game? Blowing 950 gold, that will already take you a decent while to acquire given your lack of cs, on 2 items that probably wont have a big impact in team fights just seems strange to me. edit for further clarification: Gold will be scare as support unless you're just stomping. Spending gold on items that wont be upgraded to be useful just seems unbelievably sketch to me when you're already struggling for gold. i dunno man only talking about the pro metagame, they used to get dring x3 pretty consistently, not advocating it, but they used to.
They stopped after Dreamhack, over a year ago.
And Dring x3 was done probably the most by Doublelift on Janna. Doublelift not the smartest player, even he admits that he blew when he played at Dreamhack Season 1 Championships.
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Doublelift still blows at the game, he just has really good mechanics. Imagine if he actually had a brain.
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People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now.
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Amumu's ult: what do you do about it? You can't really focus him since he's so damn tanky, but if he gets his ult off it's devastating in team fights. My friends and I were really scratching our heads on how to work with it.
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On June 29 2012 16:25 IMoperator wrote:
Amumu's ult: what do you do about it? You can't really focus him since he's so damn tanky, but if he gets his ult off it's devastating in team fights. My friends and I were really scratching our heads on how to work with it.
Good positioning, try to split etc etc. Can also buy QSS. If your ad carry has good farm you can kill him too, as long as your carry stays out of ult range.
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On June 29 2012 16:25 IMoperator wrote:
Amumu's ult: what do you do about it? You can't really focus him since he's so damn tanky, but if he gets his ult off it's devastating in team fights. My friends and I were really scratching our heads on how to work with it.
It's all about positioning. Being split up makes him dive deeper and only ult a couple of people to get to the targets he wants. If he ults only on the tanks at the front, well that's a win. If he goes too deep into your carries, well then your bruisers are now zoning out their carries from your team, and you can either crunch down on amumu since he's too far ahead by himself or turn to their carries and let your team deal w/ amumu.
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So, pulsefire ezreal still not out yet?
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On June 29 2012 16:25 IMoperator wrote:
Amumu's ult: what do you do about it? You can't really focus him since he's so damn tanky, but if he gets his ult off it's devastating in team fights. My friends and I were really scratching our heads on how to work with it.
Amumu's not exactly tanky. All he has is -10 damage from autoattacks. The rest is all about his items; anyone can do that.
Sometimes you can just instantly brust Amumu down if he lacks MR, don't be afraid to do so. Especially if he built offense (MPen, AP), it's not a waste to focus him as he deals loads of damage. Otherwise you should try to hit him while retreating in a way that even if he gets an ult off, your squishies will be far away from the rest of the enemy team.
If Amumu is so fed that he can build damage and you still can't take him down if he engages ahead of his team, you might as well give up.
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I like to silence Amumu as soon as he bandages in as Soraka. But then my team focuses him instead of splitting up.
Or we have an Alistar who would rather try to Headbutt their carry into a wall than throw Amumu away from us (with good timing he'll still use his ult, but mispositioned, wasting it).
The way I dealt with it once was, as Ryze, use the other champs as meatshields and pull out if Amumu goes in, come back as soon as he ults and destroy whoever is foolish enough to dive your team (generally it was either Cass or Talon, easy targets for Ryze as long as I positioned correctly so they wouldn't dive me).
Also, am I the only one her to prefer Prototype Viktor's model to Full Machine?  Well, I prefered the "portrait" they made out of his teaser to the one out of his splash art anyway, so...
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Im scared to play today, just started the client and there was an update on EUW, did they patch the doomsday patch to us now?
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Lol doomsday patch is awfully accurate to what it was. It got me a bonus 1000 RP though. Also has anyone else been getting more lag spikes recently on NA server? I sometimes get random episodes of 400-1500ms and that has never happened before the doomsday patch.
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On June 29 2012 17:50 jcc wrote:
Lol doomsday patch is awfully accurate to what it was. It got me a bonus 1000 RP though. Also has anyone else been getting more lag spikes recently on NA server? I sometimes get random episodes of 400-1500ms and that has never happened before the doomsday patch.
1k RP bonus, what. The EU problems were way way worse, where's our RP.
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On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now.
I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold.
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On June 29 2012 18:08 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now. I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold.
Have to agree with this, whenever I see a support buy 2 drings I get so excited I almost wet my pants.
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Anything the US server had to endure during this time, however bad it may seem, is just a slight annoyance compared to what EU was suffering post dreamhack.
Can't remember what Riot gave us at the split, I think there was some RP, not 1k though. And I recall there was some IP boost or something running for like a week or so.
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On June 29 2012 18:08 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now. I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold.
I still would go Reverie instead 100% of the time. It's not like the gold/10 component on Philo is a huge deal anyways.
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On June 29 2012 18:20 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:08 Sponkz wrote:On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now. I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold. I still would go Reverie instead 100% of the time. It's not like the gold/10 component on Philo is a huge deal anyways.
How are you gonna afford the components for reverie, if gp/10 is removed (both runes+masteries and in-game) without taking farm? This is really what makes this meta so god damn potent imo, because you don't have to give farm to your support when that person can get 15 gp/10 from philo, hog, runes and masteries along with the natural gp/10 the game gives you.
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On June 29 2012 18:41 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:20 spinesheath wrote:On June 29 2012 18:08 Sponkz wrote:On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now. I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold. I still would go Reverie instead 100% of the time. It's not like the gold/10 component on Philo is a huge deal anyways. How are you gonna afford the components for reverie, if gp/10 is removed (both runes+masteries and in-game) without taking farm? This is really what makes this meta so god damn potent imo, because you don't have to give farm to your support when that person can get 15 gp/10 from philo, hog, runes and masteries along with the natural gp/10 the game gives you.
How are you going to afford a second dring and wards/possible oracle if you don't have gp10?
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You are vastly overrating that gold/10.
It takes 27 minutes until HoG pays for itself. You can expect to get a HoG by the 10 minute mark. That thing's not gonna do ANYTHING to speed up your Reverie.
The gold/10 on Philo would get you a Reverie a couple of minutes earlier at best. It's not like Philo generates ALL the money for it. Not even close.
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On June 29 2012 18:46 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:41 Sponkz wrote:On June 29 2012 18:20 spinesheath wrote:On June 29 2012 18:08 Sponkz wrote:On June 29 2012 16:21 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go DRings anymore because there is Shurelya's Reverie. No point in getting DRings when Shurelya's is that strong.
Plus Drings got nerfed. It's a no brainer right now. I'd guess if they were to remove gp/10 from the game (which i hope will happen at some point), drings could get popular again. I mean it's really "boring" to watch supports go double gp/10, junglers go double gp/10 and just get free gold. I still would go Reverie instead 100% of the time. It's not like the gold/10 component on Philo is a huge deal anyways. How are you gonna afford the components for reverie, if gp/10 is removed (both runes+masteries and in-game) without taking farm? This is really what makes this meta so god damn potent imo, because you don't have to give farm to your support when that person can get 15 gp/10 from philo, hog, runes and masteries along with the natural gp/10 the game gives you. How are you going to afford a second dring and wards/possible oracle if you don't have gp10?
That's the thing. I said i would guess that drings could get popular again, but it really depends on how the fuck you're gonna make your 5th person get farm without harming your carries. Beats me.
On June 29 2012 18:48 spinesheath wrote:
You are vastly overrating that gold/10.
It takes 27 minutes until HoG pays for itself. You can expect to get a HoG by the 10 minute mark. That thing's not gonna do ANYTHING to speed up your Reverie.
The gold/10 on Philo would get you a Reverie a couple of minutes earlier at best. It's not like Philo generates ALL the money for it. Not even close.
Yeah that's true, but the way i see it at the moment, you're getting a philo because you want reverie. And that philo generates extra gold for you, which may not be much, but surely enough to give you a stronger impact in the game in terms of map control.
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