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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 25 2012 05:58 GMT
#3301
Hec is one of those junglers that's just good without having anything too overwhelmingly strong about him. He doesn't have Noc's scary nigh-global ganks, Naut's CC of doom, or Shaco's sheer dickery, but he's just all around strong and no one really expects him to do as well as he does. Nor does he have a lot of weaknesses to exploit, he's just solid. I jungle him and Naut every chance I can because of how easy it is to push lanes into fed status with either.
It's your boy Guzma!
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
June 25 2012 06:48 GMT
#3302
From what I remember of Hecarim free week, he has a very strong jungle presence. I haven't played him after the buff, but my view of him is like a Shyvana with higher gank potential.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 25 2012 07:02 GMT
#3303
He has really slow clear times, so I wouldn't compare him to Shyvana lol..
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 25 2012 07:03 GMT
#3304
On June 25 2012 16:02 MooMooMugi wrote:
He has really slow clear times, so I wouldn't compare him to Shyvana lol..

If they'd get rid of that stupid damage reduction on Q i think he'd probably be a top jungler, no other jungle has such a stupid restriction on their spells. -_-
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
June 25 2012 07:20 GMT
#3305
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
June 25 2012 07:48 GMT
#3306
On June 25 2012 16:02 MooMooMugi wrote:
He has really slow clear times, so I wouldn't compare him to Shyvana lol..

He's not that slow, but obviously a bit slower than Shyvana, Dr Mundo, Udyr, Amumu and Skarner. I meant that he has fast mobility throughout the jungle and can counter jungle relatively quickly and safely with an ulti for escape/engage, i.e. Shyvana-esque, but his kit is better for ganking.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 07:50:26
June 25 2012 07:49 GMT
#3307
On June 25 2012 16:03 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 16:02 MooMooMugi wrote:
He has really slow clear times, so I wouldn't compare him to Shyvana lol..

If they'd get rid of that stupid damage reduction on Q i think he'd probably be a top jungler, no other jungle has such a stupid restriction on their spells. -_-


Well considering the rest of his kit, he'd probably be broken if his Q did 100% damage to creeps because he would probably have one of the top clear times in the game. I think his Q could use a tiny buff, but they need to be careful not to break him.

Yeah here we go:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=24650171#24650171

In playtests we were finding his clear time was unmatched by any other jungler in the game without inhibiting his damage to minions.
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Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
June 25 2012 08:22 GMT
#3308
The thing about Hecarim is his early game just doesn't impress me, but if you hold out to items he just becomes absurd because of W's mechanics. You can just man mode initiate because you get healed up so fast in teamfights.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 25 2012 08:28 GMT
#3309
I can't wrap my head around how much he heals off that thing. Always a "wtf" moment when I see one going from 20% to 60% HP in a matter of seconds, be him with or against us.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 09:44:31
June 25 2012 09:44 GMT
#3310
Hecarim and Sejuani seem so strong in 800-1200. In the past few games that I've seen a Sejuani, she'd always go like 5-0 in like 10 minutes. '-' And my friend is just crushing with Hecarim. :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
June 25 2012 10:07 GMT
#3311
On June 25 2012 18:44 Zhiroo wrote:
Hecarim and Sejuani seem so strong in 800-1200. In the past few games that I've seen a Sejuani, she'd always go like 5-0 in like 10 minutes. '-' And my friend is just crushing with Hecarim. :D

Sejuani is strong at all elos, not sure why no one really players her other than that she needs to rely on a team to do damage.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
June 25 2012 10:47 GMT
#3312
The problem with sejuani is that her ultimate is her only hard CC. There's little reason to choose her over maokai or nautilus. Maokai's W has a similar range to sejuani's Q and locks someone in place temporarily. That can be followed up by a knockup + slow which is arguably stronger than a slow/slight stronger slow. Nautilus has his dredge line+passive+riptide with an even longer range than sejuani's charge, stronger slow and really really long CC time and both have an easier time getting ONTO someone than sejuani.

In a teamfight, Sejuani's ultimate is literally all she does. Her minor slow is annoying but she has almost no way to apply frost/permafrost to any carry if they're positioned correctly. She has no way to be disruptive in the way that nautilus and maokai can be. She can't reach enemy carries from a distance and lock them down for her team (twisted advance/naut ulti), her ability to peel someone off her carries are pathetic and even if you build her as a bruiser instead of a tank, mundo will still be better both for damage and tankiness.
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
June 25 2012 11:05 GMT
#3313
On June 25 2012 19:07 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 18:44 Zhiroo wrote:
Hecarim and Sejuani seem so strong in 800-1200. In the past few games that I've seen a Sejuani, she'd always go like 5-0 in like 10 minutes. '-' And my friend is just crushing with Hecarim. :D

Sejuani is strong at all elos, not sure why no one really players her other than that she needs to rely on a team to do damage.


I feel her times are quite slow, she's fairly mana dependant, she does no damage and if you get counterjungled you're screwed. You pretty much can't beat a support in 1on1... I love her style but everything she does others do better imo.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
June 25 2012 11:09 GMT
#3314
holy shit. Watching doublelift throw out double spinning axes on draven and catching every single one for a double kill in lane is pretty damn sick.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
June 25 2012 12:30 GMT
#3315
On June 25 2012 20:09 Lmui wrote:
holy shit. Watching doublelift throw out double spinning axes on draven and catching every single one for a double kill in lane is pretty damn sick.

i hate dl as a person, but man, that kid is good
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 25 2012 13:12 GMT
#3316
In case anyone was wondering, Viktor is still ridiculously good after his ult bug fix. His laser still bugs occasionally (sometimes it's invisible). People at yesterday's LAN got VERY mad at me - needless to say, I was only allowed to play 1 game as him lol.

In all the games we played yesterday, I farmed really really well. Like, always over 350 cs. I rarely get that much farm in solo queue. I'm not sure if it's just because the caliber of players was lower yesterday, or if I was just really on top of my shit. But if I can figure out how to do that every game, I'd feel so much better about my play.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 25 2012 13:21 GMT
#3317
Are there VoDs? I was only able to look at the game that was on when the stream got linked, with time zones and stuff.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 25 2012 13:24 GMT
#3318
On June 25 2012 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Are there VoDs? I was only able to look at the game that was on when the stream got linked, with time zones and stuff.


Someone there said everything was recorded. I don't have any of their info, but Bly should. He might be able to get a hold of them.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 14:05:29
June 25 2012 13:50 GMT
#3319
Say there was an AP item priced at around the price of deathcap that gave a moderate amount of AP + an active that refreshed all of the caster's cooldowns (with a cool of around 3-4min)
How do you guys thing such an item would influence the lategame power of burst casters vs more sustained dps casters and the power of casters in general?

The one crazy thing that I can think of is the awesomeness of TWO morde ghosts running around. Also if leblanc could do a QRR combo with the 2nd R increasing the first R's damage by 40% O.O

Edit: made some changes to the post to make my question more clear
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 25 2012 13:58 GMT
#3320
On June 25 2012 22:50 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Say there was an AP item priced at around the price of deathcap that gave a decent amount of AP + an active that refreshed all of the caster's cooldowns.
How do you guys thing such an item would influence the power of burst casters vs more sustained dps casters and the power of casters in general?

The one cool thing that I can think of is the awesomeness of TWO morde ghosts running around. Also if leblanc could do a QRR combo with the 2nd R increasing the first R's damage by 40% O.O

How about no?
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