[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 168

On June 25 2012 23:45 TheYango wrote:
Of the item actives in DotA:

BKB, Sheepstick, Force Staff, Refresher, Lothar's, Abyssal Blade are far too strong.
Shiva's, Eul's, Dagon, Rod of Atos, Pipe, Janggo are already in the game in some form.
Mekansm, Arcane Boots, Urn, Tranquil Boots, Soul Ring, Magic Wand are incompatible with something of Riot's design philosophy (e.g. too powerful as sustain items)
Manta, Necronomicon, Helm of the Dominator, Diffusal Blade use mechanics that aren't really sensible in the context of LoL.

Blade Mail, Orchid, Veil, Buckler, Medallion, Ghost Scepter/EBlade, Armlet, Mjollnir, Satanic, Mask of Madness are all probably portable with some modifications.


The cooldown in DotA is already 3 minutes, and the item had to have awful stats to make it manageable. It has approximately the same cost as Sheepstick (which also still has a powerful active), but gives stuff like +damage and HP regen and gives almost no raw stats.

To be balanced in the context of LoL, the item would have to have a CD of 7-8 minutes, and if it was priced around Deathcap, it would have to give miniscule amounts of other stats. the active really is just that powerful.

On June 26 2012 00:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
I was under the impression that Abyssal sucked cause it was ridiculously expensive.

And blademail is already in LoL as thornmail.

On June 25 2012 23:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Good Guy Bly

I'm probably going to rewatch those at some point to see what I did to get so much CS

On June 26 2012 00:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
also cuz we were ahead and never grouped so everyone free farmed for longer than necessary, their mids were obv a lot worse and didnt put any pressure, averaging 390 cs or something like that is still very impressive though and soniv did a very good job preventing us from throwing video games all tourney long.

i finally got my runes back after returning home and insta win streak, playing all those normals on EU really helped me improve as all around player, thanks EU LP.

On June 26 2012 01:08 De4ngus wrote:
idk when we play i have my own minigame of how much cs can i steal from soniv without getting yelled at. usually its like 1 or 2.

On June 26 2012 01:27 Alaric wrote:
Does he still lose it if you yell at him while he steals all cs, not because of that but because he got you killed instead? If not, getting you killed is probably a good way to improve his score.

On June 26 2012 01:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Is that higher or lower priority than the minigame to bait me to die?

On June 25 2012 22:50 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Say there was an AP item priced at around the price of deathcap that gave a moderate amount of AP + an active that refreshed all of the caster's cooldowns (with a cool of around 3-4min)
How do you guys thing such an item would influence the lategame power of burst casters vs more sustained dps casters and the power of casters in general?

The one crazy thing that I can think of is the awesomeness of TWO morde ghosts running around. Also if leblanc could do a QRR combo with the 2nd R increasing the first R's damage by 40% O.O

Edit: made some changes to the post to make my question more clear

On June 26 2012 02:25 PrinceXizor wrote:
DOTA's spell system is far superior to LoL's. AP mandates Mres which mandates CDR and spell pen.

Because a game has more moving parts doesn't make it better.

RPS is far better than the 9 choice games.

LoL's system leads to the huge fear of engaging and the standoffish play and snowballing that is so common in pro games compared to dota.

LoL is far too defensive right now. HP to common, resist too common.

On June 26 2012 02:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I would attribute the *sometimes* super defensive play in LoL more to the fact that there is no buyback. If you fuck up, there is no try again button.

On June 26 2012 02:34 Seuss wrote:
I'd argue that has less to do with AP/MR and more to do with how much harder it is to escape in LoL. Engaging is super important because once the fight starts getting away is hard. It's a big part of why champions like Ahri are popular.

On June 26 2012 02:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I would attribute the *sometimes* super defensive play in LoL more to the fact that there is no buyback. If you fuck up, there is no try again button.

On June 26 2012 02:36 PrinceXizor wrote:


I dunno if you take out scaling from LoL then you realize there is no need for Mres items to be so common and stackable, no reason for so much HP to exist in items, no need for Spell Pen, no need for such dedicated sustain supports.

Scaling is the driving factor for the difference in styles between dota and lol. Even without Buyback initiations would be far more common if you know you could initiate a fight from behind and win the fight. in LoL you can't initiate a 5v5 from behind and expect to win against competent players. you can try to catch someone alone and initiate a 5v4, but that's pretty much it as far as come from behind teamfights.

On June 26 2012 02:36 PrinceXizor wrote:


I dunno if you take out scaling from LoL then you realize there is no need for Mres items to be so common and stackable, no reason for so much HP to exist in items, no need for Spell Pen, no need for such dedicated sustain supports.

Scaling is the driving factor for the difference in styles between dota and lol. Even without Buyback initiations would be far more common if you know you could initiate a fight from behind and win the fight. in LoL you can't initiate a 5v5 from behind and expect to win against competent players. you can try to catch someone alone and initiate a 5v4, but that's pretty much it as far as come from behind teamfights.

On June 26 2012 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Not even remotely true. There are different windows of opportunity where different teams can scale in power over others. A team that's behind early can hit a specific window and completely turn the tides of the game. It's all about understanding these windows of opportunity and capturing them when they're available.