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On June 23 2012 03:10 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On June 23 2012 02:37 Dalguno wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250
You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches Is it pretty typical to feel shafted as far as teams go? My average kills is a decent bit higher than average deaths, and I feel like I generally play better than my teammates. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but it's really frustrating. Depends on what role you're playing. Are you a solo/carry? Then you need to do your job and carry your team. Too many people think "I'm about even, why does my team suck" and fail to realize they should be much better than even because their role demands it, and it isn't their teams fault. I play supports and get higher KDs than my carries, and without stealing the kills. Just finishing kills after I've wasted all my heals on my AD carry. I have a hard time getting a solo role. I haven't lost one when I have been solo top/mid. Just this last game I went 14/2/7 when I got solo top. I just have douchebag teammates who always take it even when I ask for it. Do I just be the assertive dick to get those roles?
Personally, when I'm on a smurf at that rating, I'll just say "mid or top I'll carry you ezpz" and they'll usually listen. Also, I never play support at that rating. If I get stuck supporting, I'll play a kill lane  . Which for me is pick panth.
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I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want.
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Just looked at my ranked stats, every jungle besides mundo/naut have good ratios, seems everytime i pick mundo or nautilus they all feed before ifinish the jungle the first time >_>
On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want.
back when i was mostly saying top, i'd call top and some baddie at the front of the team would pick it unless i was first/2nd pick.
so sometimes its hard to get the role
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On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin.
So after 150 games of SC2 you were how good? SC2 requires more of everything except team coordination, which has nothing to do with the individual skill cap. I was pretty high masters and competed in high level tournaments against low level professional players (as in I always lost to them.) And I was still terrible at SC2.
League I have been playing since last August and the biggest hurdle I have had is learning every role (which I only recently just finished,) learning every champion, their abilities and their cooldowns (which was probably the biggest hurdle,) and figuring out where I like to play most and then learning every champion to the point where I am comfortable playing them. I am now comfortable playing pretty much every champion in the game, know where I prefer to play (top and jungle,) and am able to consistently win my lane and games. My ELO fluctuated as I learned (from 1250-1400) but now that I am comfortable I feel I can say with confidence I will mostly be rising. Currently at 1512. I am not in anyway saying League is a worse game than SC2 (I personally think SC2 is a bad competitive game,) but saying it takes more individual skill seems rather... eh, dumb.
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Uh, so apparently Fiora's Q is still bugged despite what they said? I tried to smartcast it, consume both charges when I cast it once.
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On June 23 2012 05:00 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin. So after 150 games of SC2 you were how good? SC2 requires more of everything except team coordination, which has nothing to do with the individual skill cap. I was pretty high masters and competed in high level tournaments against low level professional players (as in I always lost to them.) And I was still terrible at SC2. League I have been playing since last August and the biggest hurdle I have had is learning every role (which I only recently just finished,) learning every champion, their abilities and their cooldowns (which was probably the biggest hurdle,) and figuring out where I like to play most and then learning every champion to the point where I am comfortable playing them. I am now comfortable playing pretty much every champion in the game, know where I prefer to play (top and jungle,) and am able to consistently win my lane and games. My ELO fluctuated as I learned (from 1250-1400) but now that I am comfortable I feel I can say with confidence I will mostly be rising. Currently at 1512. I am not in anyway saying League is a worse game than SC2 (I personally think SC2 is a bad competitive game,) but saying it takes more individual skill seems rather... eh, dumb.
I started in silver then climbed to the highest division (Plat at the time I think) with about 65% winrate, the best I got up to was around mid-master back in 2011 january after about 300 games then I quit
On June 23 2012 05:01 Alaric wrote:
Uh, so apparently Fiora's Q is still bugged despite what they said? I tried to smartcast it, consume both charges when I cast it once.
No, it's been working perfectly for me o_O
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On June 23 2012 03:16 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:51 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing. It's not safe to risk missing your key timings. The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds. So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr? Shurelya's rush, Philo->Aegis/Wit's/Glacial/etc. The difference in teamfight strength in having Shurelya's+Aegis/Wit's vs. Philo+HoG+Aegis/Wit's is very noticeable (Shurelya's ~500 gold more expensive, but covered by the fact that your first Shurelya's gank should be a guaranteed kill if you play it right). I'm not advocating against gp10 in general, I just think it's silly to build an item like HoG that stalls out your tempo on a hero like Udyr that doesn't WANT to stall out his tempo.
There's never been a game where i've went philo- hog- wits and felt like it was a bad choice on udyr.
especially since after wits, if aegis isnt needed ill almost always get Randuins.
never.(and i've played ALOT of udyr)
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On June 23 2012 04:53 arb wrote:Just looked at my ranked stats, every jungle besides mundo/naut have good ratios, seems everytime i pick mundo or nautilus they all feed before ifinish the jungle the first time >_> Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. back when i was mostly saying top, i'd call top and some baddie at the front of the team would pick it unless i was first/2nd pick. so sometimes its hard to get the role
I've been on a roll the past 25-30 games. Ask for top and no one rages. Gotten it probably 90% of the time. I'm due for an impressive losing streak sprinkled with afks/leavers now I'm sure.
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On June 23 2012 05:04 seanisgrand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:53 arb wrote:Just looked at my ranked stats, every jungle besides mundo/naut have good ratios, seems everytime i pick mundo or nautilus they all feed before ifinish the jungle the first time >_> On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. back when i was mostly saying top, i'd call top and some baddie at the front of the team would pick it unless i was first/2nd pick. so sometimes its hard to get the role I've been on a roll the past 25-30 games. Ask for top and no one rages. Gotten it probably 90% of the time. I'm due for an impressive losing streak sprinkled with afks/leavers now I'm sure.
The only time i can get top is when i'm firstpick and AD only as second pick, after that it's support all the way through.
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On June 23 2012 05:03 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:16 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:51 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing. It's not safe to risk missing your key timings. The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds. So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr? Shurelya's rush, Philo->Aegis/Wit's/Glacial/etc. The difference in teamfight strength in having Shurelya's+Aegis/Wit's vs. Philo+HoG+Aegis/Wit's is very noticeable (Shurelya's ~500 gold more expensive, but covered by the fact that your first Shurelya's gank should be a guaranteed kill if you play it right). I'm not advocating against gp10 in general, I just think it's silly to build an item like HoG that stalls out your tempo on a hero like Udyr that doesn't WANT to stall out his tempo. There's never been a game where i've went philo- hog- wits and felt like it was a bad choice on udyr. especially since after wits, if aegis isnt needed ill almost always get Randuins. never.(and i've played ALOT of udyr)
Uh, he suggested that you might be even better off with Shurelyas+Wits/Aegis.
Basic point being, you farm fast as fuck anyway, have stronk midgame and push your midgame advantage even further with the early Shurelyas.
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Calling lanes is just dumb. People are much more likely to let you play the lane if you request it rather than demand it as well.
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On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want.
i wish it was that easy.. everyone wants to play mid 
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On June 23 2012 05:21 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:03 arb wrote:On June 23 2012 03:16 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:51 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing. It's not safe to risk missing your key timings. The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds. So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr? Shurelya's rush, Philo->Aegis/Wit's/Glacial/etc. The difference in teamfight strength in having Shurelya's+Aegis/Wit's vs. Philo+HoG+Aegis/Wit's is very noticeable (Shurelya's ~500 gold more expensive, but covered by the fact that your first Shurelya's gank should be a guaranteed kill if you play it right). I'm not advocating against gp10 in general, I just think it's silly to build an item like HoG that stalls out your tempo on a hero like Udyr that doesn't WANT to stall out his tempo. There's never been a game where i've went philo- hog- wits and felt like it was a bad choice on udyr. especially since after wits, if aegis isnt needed ill almost always get Randuins. never.(and i've played ALOT of udyr) Uh, he suggested that you might be even better off with Shurelyas+Wits/Aegis. Basic point being, you farm fast as fuck anyway, have stronk midgame and push your midgame advantage even further with the early Shurelyas.
I dunno not really a big fan of Shurelyas on Udyr personally, i'd much rather go for pure stats, i'll maybe get it as a final item tho(as in 6th) but thats just how i play him so i dunno.
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On June 23 2012 05:42 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. i wish it was that easy.. everyone wants to play mid
My standard line is as follows:
"I would appreciate (lane goes here). However, if I don't get it I will not complain, cry, or feed."
I would say it has a high success rate.
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I've never went philo hog on udyr and felt it was a bad idea.
I've also never went philo ruby crystal into later aegis or something and thought it was a bad idea.
What do?
Obviously you're going to be good either way, it's a matter of which is better and when. It's a question with no real answer without being game specific.
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On June 23 2012 05:53 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:42 Kenpachi wrote:On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. i wish it was that easy.. everyone wants to play mid My standard line is as follows: "I would appreciate (lane goes here). However, if I don't get it I will not complain, cry, or feed." I would say it has a high success rate.
Same I always request the role I would prefer but I always say "but I can play any role so np"
Of course it doesn't work as well as people demanding shit as people usually cave in and then be bitter the whole game (sometimes is somebody is being a real asshole with it I will pick that role intentionally)
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On June 23 2012 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:
I've never went philo hog on udyr and felt it was a bad idea.
I've also never went philo ruby crystal into later aegis or something and thought it was a bad idea.
What do?
Obviously you're going to be good either way, it's a matter of which is better and when. It's a question with no real answer without being game specific.
I've wondered about this for a bit. I don't know anything about udyr really but what do you think about replacing the double gp5 with something like triple dorans and going really aggressive counterjungling/ganking?
On June 23 2012 06:30 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:53 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On June 23 2012 05:42 Kenpachi wrote:On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. i wish it was that easy.. everyone wants to play mid My standard line is as follows: "I would appreciate (lane goes here). However, if I don't get it I will not complain, cry, or feed." I would say it has a high success rate. Same I always request the role I would prefer but I always say "but I can play any role so np" Of course it doesn't work as well as people demanding shit as people usually cave in and then be bitter the whole game (sometimes is somebody is being a real asshole with it I will pick that role intentionally)
If someone is really asshole about it you absolutely need to give him the role and also tell your team to not flame him, those types will intentionally feed / leave easily and you want to avoid that. They also tend to be better than average at the game because their loss rate is inflated by their rage / tilt
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On June 23 2012 05:53 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:42 Kenpachi wrote:On June 23 2012 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't get how it's that hard to get the roles btw?
I just say "me AD carry" at the start of every game and out of past 30 games I had to jungle once, solo top once, and solo mid once with about 27 AD carry games.
Linking something like a lolking page that shows you having like 15-2-10 KDA records 5 times in a row is a good way to get the lane you want. i wish it was that easy.. everyone wants to play mid My standard line is as follows: "I would appreciate (lane goes here). However, if I don't get it I will not complain, cry, or feed." I would say it has a high success rate.
Even something as simple as "Anything but mid, prefer AD" works.
Now only need RIOT to make a mage I like...
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On June 23 2012 06:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:
I've never went philo hog on udyr and felt it was a bad idea.
I've also never went philo ruby crystal into later aegis or something and thought it was a bad idea.
What do?
Obviously you're going to be good either way, it's a matter of which is better and when. It's a question with no real answer without being game specific. I've wondered about this for a bit. I don't know anything about udyr really but what do you think about replacing the double gp5 with something like triple dorans and going really aggressive counterjungling/ganking?
What do you mean by "replace it with..." and "...going really aggressive counterjungling"? All Teut does is farm all jungles till he's #1 farm on the map. =P
Edit, to add more content: Deer junglespeed scales off AS and is pretty damn fast even without items. That's why you can go for items which make you stronger midgame asap instead of e.g. Wriggles.
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