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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 22 2012 17:22 GMT
#2881
NA login Q is about 15-20 mins

And I have no runes or skins cus freaking Riot #1 server
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 22 2012 17:29 GMT
#2882
My ELO is 1120 after 15 games. Is that pretty low? And how many points do you gain typically for a win?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 22 2012 17:30 GMT
#2883
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250

You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 22 2012 17:34 GMT
#2884
On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing.

It's not safe to risk missing your key timings.

The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds.
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 22 2012 17:37 GMT
#2885
On June 23 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250

You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches


Is it pretty typical to feel shafted as far as teams go? My average kills is a decent bit higher than average deaths, and I feel like I generally play better than my teammates. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but it's really frustrating.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
June 22 2012 17:40 GMT
#2886
On June 23 2012 02:37 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250

You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches


Is it pretty typical to feel shafted as far as teams go? My average kills is a decent bit higher than average deaths, and I feel like I generally play better than my teammates. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but it's really frustrating.


Everyone feels shafted, in reality even if you are shafted it's only by a trivial amount. Just keep playing. ;P
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
June 22 2012 17:43 GMT
#2887
On June 23 2012 02:14 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote:
On June 23 2012 01:48 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role.

The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power.


I think it's funny that Hotshot is the only Western jungler who dislikes gp10. If things change and junglers move away from gp10 then Hotshot is obvs a prophet.


Wouldn't #1 gimmick jungle king Azingy be the prophet with his 2-3 Doran's Rings > Sunfire > Abyssal every game method?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 22 2012 17:43 GMT
#2888
On June 23 2012 02:37 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250

You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches


Is it pretty typical to feel shafted as far as teams go? My average kills is a decent bit higher than average deaths, and I feel like I generally play better than my teammates. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but it's really frustrating.

Depends on what role you're playing. Are you a solo/carry? Then you need to do your job and carry your team. Too many people think "I'm about even, why does my team suck" and fail to realize they should be much better than even because their role demands it, and it isn't their teams fault.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 22 2012 17:47 GMT
#2889
I think philo stone is just a must on all junglers the gold it provides purely from the stats it gives and the investment safety in the form of shurelyas is too good to miss.

Hog is just a tempting buy becauase people like to have more HP bars and it gives gold/10, but I think if there's something to be skipped in typical builds its defintely the hog side of things. Skipping philo on many champions is not viable and on udyr for example it's going to up the risk of ganks meaning less risky shit can happen.

The reason hog is so popular though is because randunis is really strong and if you're going to get it it's silly not to get hog fast.

MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 22 2012 17:47 GMT
#2890
On June 23 2012 02:43 Seiuchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:14 overt wrote:
On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote:
On June 23 2012 01:48 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role.

The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power.


I think it's funny that Hotshot is the only Western jungler who dislikes gp10. If things change and junglers move away from gp10 then Hotshot is obvs a prophet.


Wouldn't #1 gimmick jungle king Azingy be the prophet with his 2-3 Doran's Rings > Sunfire > Abyssal every game method?

Problem with Azingy is he isn't very good
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
June 22 2012 17:51 GMT
#2891
On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing.

It's not safe to risk missing your key timings.

The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds.


So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 17:53:04
June 22 2012 17:52 GMT
#2892
I think I might just change my main to EUW. NA has been getting so fucked... It just sucks that in the past 3 weeks I've bought a ton of RP over on NA. Feel like I wasted sooo much money...
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 22 2012 17:55 GMT
#2893
On June 23 2012 02:52 VashTS wrote:
I think I might just change my main to EUW. NA has been getting so fucked... It just sucks that in the past 3 weeks I've bought a ton of RP over on NA. Feel like I wasted sooo much money...


It's not like Riot is just going to leave NA to rot...

They'll figure it out, your money won't be wasted unless you completely jump ship when you hit rough seas.
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Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
June 22 2012 18:01 GMT
#2894
On June 23 2012 02:47 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:43 Seiuchi wrote:
On June 23 2012 02:14 overt wrote:
On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote:
On June 23 2012 01:48 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role.

The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power.


I think it's funny that Hotshot is the only Western jungler who dislikes gp10. If things change and junglers move away from gp10 then Hotshot is obvs a prophet.


Wouldn't #1 gimmick jungle king Azingy be the prophet with his 2-3 Doran's Rings > Sunfire > Abyssal every game method?

Problem with Azingy is he isn't very good


That was kind of what I was getting at, the fact he's had so much success with early game stacking instead of gp10 would show the strength of the build itself since he's not very good for how high he is
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
June 22 2012 18:09 GMT
#2895
On June 23 2012 02:47 Slayer91 wrote:
I think philo stone is just a must on all junglers the gold it provides purely from the stats it gives and the investment safety in the form of shurelyas is too good to miss.

Hog is just a tempting buy becauase people like to have more HP bars and it gives gold/10, but I think if there's something to be skipped in typical builds its defintely the hog side of things. Skipping philo on many champions is not viable and on udyr for example it's going to up the risk of ganks meaning less risky shit can happen.

The reason hog is so popular though is because randunis is really strong and if you're going to get it it's silly not to get hog fast.



I've had this line of thought for a while now. On any champ w/ mana (sans Nocturne and trundle) I get philo in the jungle now. I started going double gp5 on Udyr (unless randuin's isn't needed) because shur's helps so much with engaging and ganks that it allows you to have much more presence in lanes.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#2896
On June 23 2012 02:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:37 Dalguno wrote:
On June 23 2012 02:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
You're slightly below average, average is 1200-1250

You typically gain +10-14 points per win after your first 10-15? placements matches


Is it pretty typical to feel shafted as far as teams go? My average kills is a decent bit higher than average deaths, and I feel like I generally play better than my teammates. Maybe I'm just arrogant, but it's really frustrating.

Depends on what role you're playing. Are you a solo/carry? Then you need to do your job and carry your team. Too many people think "I'm about even, why does my team suck" and fail to realize they should be much better than even because their role demands it, and it isn't their teams fault.


I play supports and get higher KDs than my carries, and without stealing the kills. Just finishing kills after I've wasted all my heals on my AD carry. I have a hard time getting a solo role. I haven't lost one when I have been solo top/mid. Just this last game I went 14/2/7 when I got solo top. I just have douchebag teammates who always take it even when I ask for it. Do I just be the assertive dick to get those roles?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
June 22 2012 18:11 GMT
#2897
Man I havent been on LoL all week, its still messed up?
Who needs players when you have God?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 22 2012 18:16 GMT
#2898
On June 23 2012 02:51 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:
On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing.

It's not safe to risk missing your key timings.

The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds.


So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr?

Shurelya's rush, Philo->Aegis/Wit's/Glacial/etc.

The difference in teamfight strength in having Shurelya's+Aegis/Wit's vs. Philo+HoG+Aegis/Wit's is very noticeable (Shurelya's ~500 gold more expensive, but covered by the fact that your first Shurelya's gank should be a guaranteed kill if you play it right).

I'm not advocating against gp10 in general, I just think it's silly to build an item like HoG that stalls out your tempo on a hero like Udyr that doesn't WANT to stall out his tempo.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 22 2012 18:18 GMT
#2899
On June 23 2012 03:11 SafeWord wrote:
Man I havent been on LoL all week, its still messed up?

Login Queues are long
Various champion bugs: Lee sin, Maokai, Karthus, Vayne, etc.
You might be missing your champions/skins/runes/and or masteries
Potential of server crashing AGAIN for the 5th time this week at any given time
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
June 22 2012 18:19 GMT
#2900
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash.
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