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On June 23 2012 02:43 Seiuchi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:14 overt wrote:On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 01:48 Requizen wrote:
Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role. The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power. I think it's funny that Hotshot is the only Western jungler who dislikes gp10. If things change and junglers move away from gp10 then Hotshot is obvs a prophet. Wouldn't #1 gimmick jungle king Azingy be the prophet with his 2-3 Doran's Rings > Sunfire > Abyssal every game method?
Problem with this build is that I've tried to do this once upon a time and it prompted my teammates to never let me jungle again.
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On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash.
Average is a relative term. Relative to players who play ranked, he's slightly below average. If you extend it to the whole LoL population it goes up, but that comparison feels less useful IMO.
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On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash.
It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then.
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On June 23 2012 03:16 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:51 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:On June 23 2012 02:34 TheYango wrote:On June 23 2012 02:18 Seuss wrote:
gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing. It's not safe to risk missing your key timings. The safest play is always to try and set up to be strong at your critical timing. Playing overly passive/greedy builds is just as "unsafe" as playing overly aggressive/early-game focused builds. So in this example, what sort of items would you go for instead of double gp10 on udyr? Shurelya's rush, Philo->Aegis/Wit's/Glacial/etc. The difference in teamfight strength in having Shurelya's+Aegis/Wit's vs. Philo+HoG+Aegis/Wit's is very noticeable (Shurelya's ~500 gold more expensive, but covered by the fact that your first Shurelya's gank should be a guaranteed kill if you play it right). I'm not advocating against gp10 in general, I just think it's silly to build an item like HoG that stalls out your tempo on a hero like Udyr that doesn't WANT to stall out his tempo.
Seems a good idea. Going to try it next when I play udyr. Thanks for the advice.
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Those numbers were probably accurate in the sense that it includes the entire playerbase, and it being Riot I think they just threw 'unranked' be it below 1250 or simply never bothered w/ placement and ranked into a lower tier.
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Well this is just AWESOME. all my runes are missing, is this for real riot? Like i know next to nothing about programming, but how is this random disappearance of runes happening? I just had them yesterday. Is this patch THAT devastating to their infrastructure?
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On June 23 2012 03:29 jcc wrote:
Well this is just AWESOME. all my runes are missing, is this for real riot? Like i know next to nothing about programming, but how is this random disappearance of runes happening? I just had them yesterday. Is this patch THAT devastating to their infrastructure?
If I were you I'd be secretly celebrating.
Write a couple of QQ e-mails to them, and BAM ALL RUNES ALL MASTERIES WTIH 25K RP COMPENSATION
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On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then.
Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games
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This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
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On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games
LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different.
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Oh, I really really hope Riot is going to put everything on sale after this server stuff. They already gave us 10 IP boost, so it seems that the extra downtime will cause even more "compensation". I doubt they will give free RP (which is absolutely stupid), but I could see a lot of sales to "compensate" the players by making even more money.
I don't care though. I want skins :3
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so lame i was in store on lol and i couldnt close score so i couldnt do anything so i had to close lol and now 48 min wait time lame.
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On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O
And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly...
On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different.
Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin.
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On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin.
The thing about SC2 is that it's not a free game. When you play it you pay up front. Therefore there will be fewer casual try outs and people who bought the game have stronger motivation to try harder and be better at the game.
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On June 23 2012 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin. The thing about SC2 is that it's not a free game. When you play it you pay up front. Therefore there will be fewer casual try outs and people who bought the game have stronger motivation to try harder and be better at the game.
For some reason casual people buy call of duty franchise even though it costs money, shock!
I don't know why you think that casuals don't spend money on games.
Also I don't get what you're arguing. I am pretty sure they take the game relatively seriously if they play it up to lvl 30.
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On June 23 2012 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin. The thing about SC2 is that it's not a free game. When you play it you pay up front. Therefore there will be fewer casual try outs and people who bought the game have stronger motivation to try harder and be better at the game.
Nope. People paying money for it doesn't imply that they will try harder than they would if it was free. Not at all. Casuals pay for SC2 to have fun with SC2, not to be the best SC2 player.
Besides, there's not THAT much to do in SC2 other than ladder. SC2 especially lacks a casual replacement for ladder. Therefore many casuals will play a couple of ladder games in SC2. In LoL on the other hand, there's normals and draft normals which completely remove any need to play ranked for casuals, even if they already played all these games to reach lvl 30 - which also weeds out many casuals.
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On June 23 2012 04:15 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:55 Sufficiency wrote:On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin. The thing about SC2 is that it's not a free game. When you play it you pay up front. Therefore there will be fewer casual try outs and people who bought the game have stronger motivation to try harder and be better at the game. Nope. People paying money for it doesn't imply that they will try harder than they would if it was free. Not at all. Casuals pay for SC2 to have fun with SC2, not to be the best SC2 player. Besides, there's not THAT much to do in SC2 other than ladder. SC2 especially lacks a casual replacement for ladder. Therefore many casuals will play a couple of ladder games in SC2. In LoL on the other hand, there's normals and draft normals which completely remove any need to play ranked for casuals, even if they already played all these games to reach lvl 30 - which also weeds out many casuals.
Nexus War.
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On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin.
I was the opposite, I had about 3k+ games on sc2 playing LoL on the side for 200-300 games and my mechanics were already solid after little practice
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On June 23 2012 04:29 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
This whole 25% thing is misleading.
This is a free game and everyone can join. For example, my mother can join too, but she will probably land herself in the lowest 1% because she will hardly know how to move; this will inflate the players in "top 25%".
If she plays to lvl 30 (Need 300+ games without boosts) she probably knows more than that right? o_O And anyone can play SC2 and DotA2 and HoN as well, that's a silly argument honestly... On June 23 2012 03:40 Bladeorade wrote:On June 23 2012 03:34 Shikyo wrote:On June 23 2012 03:24 barbsq wrote:On June 23 2012 03:19 cascades wrote:
Last time I checked, bronze was top 25% of the population, so I don't know where you get the he's below average from. TLers tend to forget the majority of people are absolutely trash. It may not be accurate to say that riot's definition of bronze = 25% of the population anymore, since those were values picked from the end of season1, and i'm not convinced those numbers were particularly accurate even then. Well I just was at 1150 elo and I can guarantee that the average player there is in my opinion far better than the average random pubber that you'd see in most games. For instance in comparison to SC2 gold league level players imo they were far better, so I really doubt that that's below average. LoL average skill that's be that much higher than it is for other games LoL individual skill cap also incredibly low, comparing to starcraft is rather dumb considering the amount of time and dedication to each game to become average is incredibly different. Disagree, I've played like 2500 games of LoL and I'm far worse than I was at SC2 after like 150 games of practice. It's an easier game at least to me. By a significant margin. I was the opposite, I had about 3k+ games on sc2 playing LoL on the side for 200-300 games and my mechanics were already solid after little practice
Maybe that was because you had played 3k+ games of SC2 beforehand? I played SC2 before LoL you know.
Also mechanics have never been a problem. (In LoL. Lasthitting takes a while of course)
By the way, just broke 1350. 3 days after breaking 1250, 5 days after dropping to 1150! Maybe I'm getting there, slowly but surely ;D
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anyone have a lv30 EU account I can borrow just for one day?
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