EPTThough I'd still not take him over Mao or Naut, just spitballing some viability for him. I almost feel like Cho does a lot of the same stuff as him as well, though you need to wait til 6 for Feast.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Though I'd still not take him over Mao or Naut, just spitballing some viability for him. I almost feel like Cho does a lot of the same stuff as him as well, though you need to wait til 6 for Feast. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1947 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:46 iCanada wrote: You don't need boots2 if maxing W first though... You already run super fast, and you don't even really need wriggles, only the blood razer. Just try it. -.- Uhh, yes you do. Nunu only has 315 base MS compared to the 320 or 325 lots of junglers have. If they have Boots 2 and you have Boots 1, even the 15% MS boost from max rank Blood Boil doesn't create enough of an MS advantage for you to do whatever the hell you want in their jungle. On June 22 2012 23:56 Broetchenholer wrote: As iCanada mentioned, the nerf to udyr was only a sustain nerf for lane. But honestly, we see alot of udyr in competetive play, just not anymore in solo queue. I believe that is because the meta has become really hard for udyr. Most mid-champs cannot be ganked by udyr anymore, cause they all have crazy meelee protection. Try to gank kennen, ahri or morg with udyr :/ At Bot, champions like ezreal or graves or trist are common, none of them can be touched by udyr. Top might be better for ganks, but in my experience, this lane favours early ganks over later and udyr cannot lvl2 gank without severely gimping himself. Maybe thats just my low elo, but the junglers i see do well are those, that have a ranged cc ability or a crazy gapcloser and the ability to start at red/gank well at lvl 2. It's just a trend among Western junglers. Well-known Western junglers don't feel comfortable picking Udyr in current play (hell, TOO pretty much never played Udyr in tournaments even when he was good), and people think he sucks just because junglers don't feel like playing him in tournaments. Udyr is still a common pick-up among Chinese junglers. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Saint is one of the few udyr players and he's on Crs now to goodluck to udyr seeing play anytime soon :D And top lane udyr not gonna be around as long is kayle starts to become popular LOL kayle so brutal against no gap closer champs. | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
On June 23 2012 00:56 Dalguno wrote: No more IP boosts for the downtime, I'm so sad. Did Riot really say this? | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On June 23 2012 01:09 Nos- wrote: Silly question, but if you get to lvl30 and buy no champions, can you still play ranked? You can play ranked 5s since free champions are allowed in that mode (no solo-queue though). Edit: You might need at least 6 champs of your own though.. since there are 6 bans. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu. Random musings, I could be dead wrong, but that's why I really only jungle super CC tanks or Hecarim, who doesn't fall off endgame because of his sick initiate, peel, and unkillability. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
And I actually never play Amumu :S I always forget that he doesn't have any tankiness built in, just every time I see him he has like, full tank AP items and is invincible for no particular reason. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 23 2012 01:48 Requizen wrote: Actually, I think that's the big thing. Same with someone like Skarner, Udyr fills this role of (take the term for what you will) "tanky dps", where he's not a full tank type champ, but can't really carry as well as someone like Jax, Riven, or Lee Sin can in the jungle. So he really tops out in the mid game where he can skirmish, eat the damage of non-fully-built carries, and dish out good damage, but falls off later on when his damage doesn't stack up and he's not as tanky as someone like Naut, Mao, or Amumu. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role. The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote: There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role. The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power. I think it's funny that Hotshot is the only Western jungler who dislikes gp10. If things change and junglers move away from gp10 then Hotshot is obvs a prophet. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
His clears are fine though considering he can steal the big wraith and run out all the time. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On June 23 2012 02:02 TheYango wrote: There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a power peak midgame. Even if you have a lategame team-comp, you need someone to control the midgame tempo, and a jungler's development is well suited to fill that role. The only problem is that Western junglers play these garbage gp10 stack builds that stall the pace of the game past Udyr's peak in power. gp10 stacking, like many other things, is popular because it's safe and the items that build out of them are super strong. Both Shurelya's and Randuin's are extremely useful period, and Udyr isn't an exception to that. However, it usually takes 12-15 minutes to get double gp10 unless you have kills, meaning you have all of 5-7 minutes to farm up the 2150g for a Wit's End or miss Udyr's critical mid-game timing. | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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