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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 20 2012 01:53 GMT
#2321
On June 20 2012 10:51 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.


I wish they nerfed the damage on his bombs instead of the slow.

He woulda been such a cool champion. Now he just feels like all damage with a bit of Poke.


Ehhhhhh idk, the slow was a little ridiculous. The combo of damage/slow was definitely over the top, but I know where you're coming from.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 20 2012 01:57 GMT
#2322
On June 20 2012 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:51 iCanada wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.


I wish they nerfed the damage on his bombs instead of the slow.

He woulda been such a cool champion. Now he just feels like all damage with a bit of Poke.


Ehhhhhh idk, the slow was a little ridiculous. The combo of damage/slow was definitely over the top, but I know where you're coming from.


I do agree, the slow was a touch obnoxious. I think it would be cool if they kept the damage on his mines the same in every level and just increased the slow portion on it would be cool too.

He kinda like Xerath, imo. Really stale gameplay and no guaranteed damage.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 20 2012 02:03 GMT
#2323
On June 20 2012 10:57 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:51 iCanada wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.


I wish they nerfed the damage on his bombs instead of the slow.

He woulda been such a cool champion. Now he just feels like all damage with a bit of Poke.


Ehhhhhh idk, the slow was a little ridiculous. The combo of damage/slow was definitely over the top, but I know where you're coming from.


I do agree, the slow was a touch obnoxious. I think it would be cool if they kept the damage on his mines the same in every level and just increased the slow portion on it would be cool too.

He kinda like Xerath, imo. Really stale gameplay and no guaranteed damage.


I think he's FAR more fun than Xerath. Xerath's damage isn't really that difficult to land. That's what makes Ziggs fun - you need to know how to land his shit to do well with him. I've seen some really terror Ziggs just tear me apart.

Now I want to figure him out...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 20 2012 02:17 GMT
#2324
does anybody know a similar website to lolmatches for the korean server?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
June 20 2012 02:32 GMT
#2325
fow.kr Chexx

washed
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 20 2012 02:34 GMT
#2326
On June 20 2012 11:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:57 iCanada wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:51 iCanada wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.


I wish they nerfed the damage on his bombs instead of the slow.

He woulda been such a cool champion. Now he just feels like all damage with a bit of Poke.


Ehhhhhh idk, the slow was a little ridiculous. The combo of damage/slow was definitely over the top, but I know where you're coming from.


I do agree, the slow was a touch obnoxious. I think it would be cool if they kept the damage on his mines the same in every level and just increased the slow portion on it would be cool too.

He kinda like Xerath, imo. Really stale gameplay and no guaranteed damage.


I think he's FAR more fun than Xerath. Xerath's damage isn't really that difficult to land. That's what makes Ziggs fun - you need to know how to land his shit to do well with him. I've seen some really terror Ziggs just tear me apart.

Now I want to figure him out...

It's highly likely that I just suck with him, but I have massive mana problems on Ziggs regardless if it's early/mid/late game. So much of his damage is off of his Q bombs and the mana costs on that is pretty darn high.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 20 2012 02:39 GMT
#2327
ziggs is pretty good, just no one wants to take the time to play him
regi used him on release, when he was OP, but at the slightest nerf everyone dropped him
he's pretty straightforward - build damage, hit skillshots, win the game
when we see games shifting to hyper-lategame-snoozefests as triggered by froggen's anivia, ziggs will see a greater role, because 4 high-damage aoe nukes make ziggs impossible to push on
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 20 2012 02:45 GMT
#2328
On June 20 2012 11:39 gtrsrs wrote:
ziggs is pretty good, just no one wants to take the time to play him
regi used him on release, when he was OP, but at the slightest nerf everyone dropped him
he's pretty straightforward - build damage, hit skillshots, win the game
when we see games shifting to hyper-lategame-snoozefests as triggered by froggen's anivia, ziggs will see a greater role, because 4 high-damage aoe nukes make ziggs impossible to push on


Except, just what Ryuu just said, his mana costs are pretty prohibitive. As much as I hate having to get Tear on champs, it might be a good buy on him. Maybe something like Boots - Tear - Dcap - AA staff.

Idk, as I said, I'll have to play around with him a little bit.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 20 2012 02:49 GMT
#2329
just give him blue buff and his mana cost problems are solved
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 02:56:32
June 20 2012 02:51 GMT
#2330
Just looked Ziggs up. At max level, his Q bomb costs 100 mana on a 4 second cd, which is pretty damn ridiculous considering his base mana at level 18 is 1150 (with no items). So basically Ziggs can get off ~12 Qs before going completely oom assuming he uses no other spells. In poke scenarios he gets pretty darn screwed as 4-5 Qs can eat basically half his mana pool.

Blue buff definitely helps, but with how aggressively and how well competitive teams are about controlling and contesting buffs, a champion that's that reliant on blue is severely hindered.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 20 2012 03:02 GMT
#2331
On June 20 2012 10:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:01 Alaric wrote:
So do you max E, or still max Q for "burst" and MS (chasing, fleeing ganks...) while E is spammed for said mana efficiency?


When I play malph I usually max Q first and E second, without taking a point in W. Q I find makes more sense to max, even if it costs more mana. Firstly, it's ranged, its effects will be much more important in a gank, it helps you gain more ms.

Also, a bit off topic, but I was reading through gameplay guides from lolpro, and I find a lot of the guides to be pretty helpful and very informative. As a general question, why doesn't Riot have any ties to any of these sites which really get in depth about how to play? Some links to see on the client or something like that, could be really helpful for the new and mid-ranged players.


its a shame... lolpro was pretty ambitious, to have a guide for every champion for every viable role competitively. It is missing a lot though. I think they are missing top lane warwick, top lane panth, kayle as a carry or bruiser or jungler (she can do all pretty damn well), etc.

by the time they get these things out, everything will already be out of date probably.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
June 20 2012 03:09 GMT
#2332
On June 20 2012 11:32 Vlanitak wrote:
fow.kr Chexx




thanks sadly there is no normal rating was interested if its the same like ranked ^^ Need to play more ranked
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 03:16:06
June 20 2012 03:15 GMT
#2333
It used to be accessible but Riot killed the method used to access it (which I'm pretty sure worked on all servers). All there is now is rough estimates on various sites that aren't terribly accurate.
twitch.tv/cratonz
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 20 2012 03:36 GMT
#2334
On June 20 2012 12:02 RoieTRS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:09 Dark_Chill wrote:
On June 20 2012 10:01 Alaric wrote:
So do you max E, or still max Q for "burst" and MS (chasing, fleeing ganks...) while E is spammed for said mana efficiency?


When I play malph I usually max Q first and E second, without taking a point in W. Q I find makes more sense to max, even if it costs more mana. Firstly, it's ranged, its effects will be much more important in a gank, it helps you gain more ms.

Also, a bit off topic, but I was reading through gameplay guides from lolpro, and I find a lot of the guides to be pretty helpful and very informative. As a general question, why doesn't Riot have any ties to any of these sites which really get in depth about how to play? Some links to see on the client or something like that, could be really helpful for the new and mid-ranged players.


its a shame... lolpro was pretty ambitious, to have a guide for every champion for every viable role competitively. It is missing a lot though. I think they are missing top lane warwick, top lane panth, kayle as a carry or bruiser or jungler (she can do all pretty damn well), etc.

by the time they get these things out, everything will already be out of date probably.

If you understand enough about the game, you shouldn't need guides. I know kayle's cooldown on her E, how much damage she does (experience), what her skills do, and her weaknesses in lane. From that I know how to deal with her as any champion (and yes, some champs will just have to tower hug, try to get the lane to push, and wait for ganks). I know her clear speed and how little she relies on buffs, so I also know when she can gank. I know her common item builds and where most of her damage comes from, so I know how to counter a kayle that I meet, as well as what the advantages and disadvantages of building certain items on her are.

Studying guides is like studying past exams. You memorize the steps, but don't understand how to solve the problem.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
June 20 2012 04:20 GMT
#2335
The ONE time I play against TheOddOne he isn't streaming. I wanted to hear what he thought of my big plays.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 20 2012 04:33 GMT
#2336
Did they get rid of Blind Pick for Summoner's Rift, or is my client just being weird? I don't remember reading about it in the patch notes.
Hello
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 20 2012 04:41 GMT
#2337
I wish I could convince my supports to bring CV, and convince my AD that it's a good choice when I play support. Heal or Exhaust are not always better
It's your boy Guzma!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 20 2012 04:41 GMT
#2338
So I have been in the que forever and it won't let me quit because it says a match is imminent. Will I get a dodge and loss of elo if I quit the client?
Never Knows Best.
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
June 20 2012 04:56 GMT
#2339
NA servers are completely fucked at the moment so no, you probably won't get a dodge or loss of elo if you quit client (if you try reconnecting though it'll bring you to the "Reconnect to Game" button and you won't be able to play anyway).
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 20 2012 04:58 GMT
#2340
Lol yea I have that screen now so I was worried for a sec it somehow ninja put me into a game then just randomed me a champ and i've been afk the whole game -_-
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