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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 19 2012 22:32 GMT
#2301
On June 20 2012 02:19 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 00:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
slayers almost carried me with ap lee sin


LOL I had 2 second delay all that game and went AP lee sin to boot without the ping we woulda won ez but I just fed because ping is so frustrating when its astronomically high.

Scip 1850 not surprising he always tryhards the only reason he's not higher is because we drag him down LOL.
Ironically when he duo'd with Shayuki earlier (scips 800 elo higher) and streamed it he said he'd go "super fuckin tryhard" and ended up feeding in the early game and losing hard haha.

Shush you shush my Skarner playstyle relies on getting fed off of one lane didn't realize all lanes gonna feed didn't adapt in time was sad don't criticize me like that it makes me look stupid
and stuff.
I think we should do some EU team seriously, we are pretty alright, me and Teut but don't know who else? Haven't seen Howard in a while to mid for us and Butters is too troll to support for us either. Any suggestions?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 19 2012 22:37 GMT
#2302
On June 20 2012 07:32 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 02:19 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 20 2012 00:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
slayers almost carried me with ap lee sin


LOL I had 2 second delay all that game and went AP lee sin to boot without the ping we woulda won ez but I just fed because ping is so frustrating when its astronomically high.

Scip 1850 not surprising he always tryhards the only reason he's not higher is because we drag him down LOL.
Ironically when he duo'd with Shayuki earlier (scips 800 elo higher) and streamed it he said he'd go "super fuckin tryhard" and ended up feeding in the early game and losing hard haha.

Shush you shush my Skarner playstyle relies on getting fed off of one lane didn't realize all lanes gonna feed didn't adapt in time was sad don't criticize me like that it makes me look stupid
and stuff.
I think we should do some EU team seriously, we are pretty alright, me and Teut but don't know who else? Haven't seen Howard in a while to mid for us and Butters is too troll to support for us either. Any suggestions?


Take Oaths and a random dude for bot.

Then add a battle between Reesuit, iDei and Intrix for mid. So many APs. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 19 2012 22:46 GMT
#2303
On June 20 2012 07:37 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 07:32 Scip wrote:
On June 20 2012 02:19 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 20 2012 00:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
slayers almost carried me with ap lee sin


LOL I had 2 second delay all that game and went AP lee sin to boot without the ping we woulda won ez but I just fed because ping is so frustrating when its astronomically high.

Scip 1850 not surprising he always tryhards the only reason he's not higher is because we drag him down LOL.
Ironically when he duo'd with Shayuki earlier (scips 800 elo higher) and streamed it he said he'd go "super fuckin tryhard" and ended up feeding in the early game and losing hard haha.

Shush you shush my Skarner playstyle relies on getting fed off of one lane didn't realize all lanes gonna feed didn't adapt in time was sad don't criticize me like that it makes me look stupid
and stuff.
I think we should do some EU team seriously, we are pretty alright, me and Teut but don't know who else? Haven't seen Howard in a while to mid for us and Butters is too troll to support for us either. Any suggestions?


Take Oaths and a random dude for bot.

Then add a battle between Reesuit, iDei and Intrix for mid. So many APs. =(

I'm not completely sure but I don't think Oaths likes me, he has expressed his distaste for both my personality and my voice multiple times. Though it's certainly worth a try =D I'm trying to convince Risu to form a team with me and Teut right now, wish me luck lolo
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 19 2012 22:58 GMT
#2304
Just noticed the loading screen goes DRAVEN in the music.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
June 19 2012 23:05 GMT
#2305
yiruru against dyrus and oddone on oddone's stream :3
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
June 19 2012 23:42 GMT
#2306
Does anyone know when you get platinum in arranged 3's? I heard it's 1700, but I'm not sure.
wat
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
June 19 2012 23:55 GMT
#2307
Google says 1700+
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
June 20 2012 00:14 GMT
#2308
On June 20 2012 07:46 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 07:37 r.Evo wrote:
On June 20 2012 07:32 Scip wrote:
On June 20 2012 02:19 Slayer91 wrote:
On June 20 2012 00:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
slayers almost carried me with ap lee sin


LOL I had 2 second delay all that game and went AP lee sin to boot without the ping we woulda won ez but I just fed because ping is so frustrating when its astronomically high.

Scip 1850 not surprising he always tryhards the only reason he's not higher is because we drag him down LOL.
Ironically when he duo'd with Shayuki earlier (scips 800 elo higher) and streamed it he said he'd go "super fuckin tryhard" and ended up feeding in the early game and losing hard haha.

Shush you shush my Skarner playstyle relies on getting fed off of one lane didn't realize all lanes gonna feed didn't adapt in time was sad don't criticize me like that it makes me look stupid
and stuff.
I think we should do some EU team seriously, we are pretty alright, me and Teut but don't know who else? Haven't seen Howard in a while to mid for us and Butters is too troll to support for us either. Any suggestions?


Take Oaths and a random dude for bot.

Then add a battle between Reesuit, iDei and Intrix for mid. So many APs. =(

I'm not completely sure but I don't think Oaths likes me, he has expressed his distaste for both my personality and my voice multiple times. Though it's certainly worth a try =D I'm trying to convince Risu to form a team with me and Teut right now, wish me luck lolo


It's been like half a year since I was on vent with you, but like a week ago someone said to me "No, dude, listen..." and I instantly asked him if he likes to play Jax. It wasn't even about league but he seemed to be rather confused.

Let's just say you are erh.. memorable.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 20 2012 00:48 GMT
#2309
How do you top lane malphite? i thought 100% of top laners just heal off his Q with sustain because it is weak
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
June 20 2012 00:51 GMT
#2310
On June 20 2012 09:48 RoieTRS wrote:
How do you top lane malphite? i thought 100% of top laners just heal off his Q with sustain because it is weak

Ground slam is where the real dps-per-mp efficiency is. He is a counter to many melees because he can ground slam them if they move in to cs/lifesteal, and his passive wins trades.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
June 20 2012 00:56 GMT
#2311
On June 20 2012 09:48 RoieTRS wrote:
How do you top lane malphite? i thought 100% of top laners just heal off his Q with sustain because it is weak

100% of top lanes dont have sustain. He is best vs melee who auto a lot for their damage and people who dont have huge burst as he can shrug it off with his shield. His E is a kill to AS and then they cant disengage because of Q. So you decide the engagements, shrug off harass, kill their DPS and have a large amount of burst when you hit 6.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 20 2012 01:01 GMT
#2312
So do you max E, or still max Q for "burst" and MS (chasing, fleeing ganks...) while E is spammed for said mana efficiency?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 20 2012 01:09 GMT
#2313
On June 20 2012 10:01 Alaric wrote:
So do you max E, or still max Q for "burst" and MS (chasing, fleeing ganks...) while E is spammed for said mana efficiency?


When I play malph I usually max Q first and E second, without taking a point in W. Q I find makes more sense to max, even if it costs more mana. Firstly, it's ranged, its effects will be much more important in a gank, it helps you gain more ms.

Also, a bit off topic, but I was reading through gameplay guides from lolpro, and I find a lot of the guides to be pretty helpful and very informative. As a general question, why doesn't Riot have any ties to any of these sites which really get in depth about how to play? Some links to see on the client or something like that, could be really helpful for the new and mid-ranged players.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 01:27:43
June 20 2012 01:09 GMT
#2314
You max E 80% of the time, leveling Q uses way too much mana and barely does damage.

Against Ranged/AP I can see how maxing Q over E would benefit, since a good ranged would never let you get in range to E him
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
June 20 2012 01:23 GMT
#2315
On June 20 2012 10:01 Alaric wrote:
So do you max E, or still max Q for "burst" and MS (chasing, fleeing ganks...) while E is spammed for said mana efficiency?

I max E most of the time, but I also don't level W at all so both end up pretty high. You spam E to get them low when they come to CS, Q them when you have extra mana and go all in with REQ ignite when they are low enough
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
June 20 2012 01:27 GMT
#2316
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 20 2012 01:32 GMT
#2317
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers

Ziggs can be viable in certain team comps but hes really hard to play because he doesn't really have a escape other than his W, if you count that as an escape, so he can be focused really fast unless he has perfect positioning. His poke/zoning powers are decent so that makes up for some of his weaknesses
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
June 20 2012 01:32 GMT
#2318
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


Ziggs is good as a poke champion, but ap kog is just better in that role, leading ziggs to almost never get picked over kog.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 01:44:33
June 20 2012 01:43 GMT
#2319
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 20 2012 01:51 GMT
#2320
On June 20 2012 10:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 10:27 Nightmare-br wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering here.... but is Ziggs viable in competitive play?

The only time I remember seeing him was with Alex Ich. I don´t remember what tournament that was, but he did pretty good. He does a lot of damage, but seems to die so easily, especially in late game.

Thx for the answers


I think he could be viable. He has very strong, spammable damage with his Q, and good zone control with W and E. He doesn't have much for escape, but he's a hell of a lot of fun. My Ziggs is awful, but if I were to really sit down and spam out games with him, I think he could be useful.

Also, his full burst combo is retarded if he gets it off.


I wish they nerfed the damage on his bombs instead of the slow.

He woulda been such a cool champion. Now he just feels like all damage with a bit of Poke.
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