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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Awwww...why u hatin on meh? Most of my friends, I play LoL are pretty good people. We use TL, solomid, and try to work as a team and do it well. But a fair amount of other people at my school and at my local college are just complete assholes who are so full of themselves. After a game, they will always group together and start trying to convince one another why they are the reason why their team won. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
You are not anyone... you are just a role in a team... it is better to deserve honors and not get them than to get honors and not deserve them. Lose any ego... you are just a role... | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:10 Shiragaku wrote: Awwww...why u hatin on meh? Most of my friends, I play LoL are pretty good people. We use TL, solomid, and try to work as a team and do it well. But a fair amount of other people at my school and at my local college are just complete assholes who are so full of themselves. After a game, they will always group together and start trying to convince one another why they are the reason why their team won. Imagine this period represents you and your friends: . Now imagine the rest of this webpage represents the complete assholes you just described. That is why people dread school letting out. On May 31 2012 00:17 SCC-Faust wrote: I may be drunk right now.. but to the post above me.,. you must train yourself. You are not anyone... you are just a role in a team... it is better to deserve honors and not get them than to get honors and not deserve them. Lose any ego... you are just a role... On May 31 2012 00:21 SCC-Faust wrote: Be th ebutterfly you were born to be You should drunk post more often. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:17 SCC-Faust wrote: I may be drunk right now.. but to the post above me.,. you must train yourself. You are not anyone... you are just a role in a team... it is better to deserve honors and not get them than to get honors and not deserve them. Lose any ego... you are just a role... wait wat I am confused. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On May 30 2012 22:35 Shiv. wrote: To me, it sounds like an idea, even though I'd still prefer if they'd just take away the true damage or the CD reset on that thing. Anyway, this is not the Darius thread, so let's stop discussing him too intensively. My original question remains though: why is it that Riot seems to have developed the tendency of either releasing champions nobody really plays (Sejuani, even though I think she's suffering from the Shyvana syndrom) or cares about or champions that are significantly stronger than other champs which are supposed to fulfill the same role? Hey I like Sejuani. She's a cc bot (tanky utility) jungler, and is actually very undervalued. Sure Sejuani isn't going to carry a game, but she's going to assist the carries in the same sense of a support. People feel the need to carry in solo queue, which is why junglers like WW, Nocturne, Lee, GP, Jax, Shaco, all see more play that her. Those types of junglers can get fed and actually carry a team. Sejuani doesn't need the kills as much, don't get me wrong she's going to want to gank and get a ton of assists. Guys like Amumu, Nautilus, Maokai, and Alistar all see more play as the Tanky support jungler, but the difference between them and Sejuani is that those junglers all fit more into a hard engage team composition, while Sejuani fits better in a team comp that (late game) wants to kite, poke, and chip the guys down before going all in and engaging. | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
I just started my project "Forever strong!" - an account with ONLY Noxus-affiliated champions. If I find it fun enough, I might even do it for the other factions. However, here is the list of champions: Noxian Champions Cassiopeia Darius (Draven) Katarina LeBlanc Sion Swain Talon Urgot Vladimir Willing Champions Annie Dr. Mundo Riven Shaco Singed Warwick I only took those who are either part of the Noxian military, closely affiliated with the Noxian political landscape or where I can reasonably assume they would fight for Noxus. I didn't include Annie at first, but upon reading her lore I found out that Noxus uses her, lorewise. Riven is obvious, while not part of the Noxian society/hierarchy anymore she loves her country. Shaco is a crazy mass murderer, no reason for him not to fight. I excluded most other Zaunite champions since they have no part in in the Zaun-Noxus alliance/politics. I also excluded Mordekaiser and Gragas, while both are strongly connected to Noxus I doubt they care about the politics. There is only one problem: Noxus has apparently not a single support in it's roster. I guess I would have to play Talon support, the closest thing available. The only AD carry is Urgot, who isn't even a real AD carry (fucking Sivir, she just HAD TO defect...). The cool thing is, that Noxus has a VERY firm grip on the top lane and a decently strong jungle line-up. Mid lane is a bit tricky though, really a mixed bag. Luckily, Noxus being one of the primary factions they can field enough champions to enable draft mode and ranked games. I doubt Bilgewater or Freljord can do that :D Demacia has probably even more champions... However, I just started the account (bought Darius with leftover money from a Paysafe Card), the rest will be bought with only IP. This is gonna be fun :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
Not sure if I'm just really dumb and don't get your point at all or if it just doesn't make any sense. Leona works on much higher cooldowns, typically has less resources to itemize for CDR, while FH and Shurelya's, both core on Naut, cap him for CDR. That's not exactly a problem of the champion, but that's what we're working with a realistic game scenario. Also, he has stun that he can apply pretty much unconditionally on everything in sight in a teamfight, a plain point and click AoE slow that scales with levels, and an point and click stun ultimate that has the potential to fuck up their whole team. While doing that, he deals a metric fuckton of damage for the amount of utility he offers. Leona has an ultimate that's avoidable (ever tried flashing Nautilus ult?), that rarely stuns more than one target in a teamfight, is reliant on a low range skillshot in order to get her stun off. Nautilus' Q is a LOT better than Leona's E at everything her E is supposed to do, PLUS it lets him get out of tricky situations. And yeah, as said, his passive is pretty much her Q for a single target fight, with the funny little twist he can apply it to multiple people. I'm really not trying to be a dick, I made a genuine effort to understand your post, but whats the point of comparing Nautilus' numbers to Leona's numbers when their kit has the same feel to it (HEY WHAT'S UP I DISABLE PEOPLE), but works completely different? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also, Naut's passive, like Maokai's twisted advance and Swain's nevermore, does NOT stun. It roots (I'd say snare, but apparently for some snare = slow?) people. Udyr stuns. It's still very strong, albeit limited by Naut's lack of mobility while on cooldown (weak base MS, huge hitbox making pathing awkward), it's just that it's very misleading to call a root a stun and I see it done everytime. "Leona's ult will rarely stun more than one people" as an argument is very situational, as if people play against Naut with his ult in mind they won't get in a straight line in front of him either; it's arguable that they're less good at that than at not stacking, but it's not like Naut is guaranteed to hit 2 or 3. Some spells can also reset it if the target realize his positioning is about to fuck his team, can't be done if 4 people stack under Leona's ult. All of Leona's cooldowns are shorter than Naut's after some levels (or even outright, see their Ws). I agree with you that Nautilus is stronger, has better scaling and laning possibilities (if only because of Leona's passive), and has a better itemization path due to his shield being HP rather than resists, but don't ditch her with these kind of claims. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On May 31 2012 01:13 Shiv. wrote: Not sure if I'm just really dumb and don't get your point at all or if it just doesn't make any sense. Leona works on much higher cooldowns, typically has less resources to itemize for CDR, while FH and Shurelya's, both core on Naut, cap him for CDR. That's not exactly a problem of the champion, but that's what we're working with a realistic game scenario. Also, he has stun that he can apply pretty much unconditionally on everything in sight in a teamfight, a plain point and click AoE slow that scales with levels, and an point and click stun ultimate that has the potential to fuck up their whole team. While doing that, he deals a metric fuckton of damage for the amount of utility he offers. Leona has an ultimate that's avoidable (ever tried flashing Nautilus ult?), that rarely stuns more than one target in a teamfight, is reliant on a low range skillshot in order to get her stun off. Nautilus' Q is a LOT better than Leona's E at everything her E is supposed to do, PLUS it lets him get out of tricky situations. And yeah, as said, his passive is pretty much her Q for a single target fight, with the funny little twist he can apply it to multiple people. I'm really not trying to be a dick, I made a genuine effort to understand your post, but whats the point of comparing Nautilus' numbers to Leona's numbers when their kit has the same feel to it (HEY WHAT'S UP I DISABLE PEOPLE), but works completely different? His point is probably that every kit is made of numbers, and theoretically all numbers can be balanced. For instance, to make it easier to land Leona's CC, increase skillshot hitboxes and stun radius. To keep them at the same difficulty but increase the reward for landing them, increase CC duration/amount/damage et cetera. @Haasts Yes, they could be put at the same power level, however that puts the burden on Riot to find the perfect balance between two champions, and then both would have to be kept within the entire roster's power level. Unfortunately they can only deal with changes that affect the entire roster (such as changing/adding an item or minion/monster/mastery mechanics) on a champ-by-champ basis, so there will be periods of imbalance. | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
On May 31 2012 01:03 Alaric wrote: Uh, you've got LB, Swain, Annie, Cass, Talon, Vlad, Katarina, Sion as mid champs, and even possibly WW, how do you manage to find this "tricky"? x) Its not about having champs that can do it, its about champs that can do it well. And if you discount gimmicky champs like Sion/Katarina/Talon for mid, you are left with subpar choices (Annie, Swain etc) or highly sought after picks/bans (LB, Vlad, Cass). Sure, Noxus has quite a few mid-capable champions, but are they good AND always available? Not so much. Depends on when you can pick and stuff. Once I'm 30, that is. Until then I can play all the champs I want, of course :D | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
Concerning Leona's ult, let's just say it's a lot easier to dodge her ultimate, especially since you're only reliant on yourself NOT to stand in it while with Nautilus, you have to trust the champion who has the mark on him not to run straight onto you. Happens more than I would like to admit. I'm a huge fan of Leona and I think she deserves more play, I'm just saying I wouldn't really compare their kits because to me, Nautilus' feels a lot stronger. @Flakes: Of course, theoretically everything can be balanced, but applying that theory in a scenario where there's 90+ champs to balance him around. I do thank you for trying to clarify his point though, I guess I get what he was trying to put across. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Which is, by the way, another strong point for Naut: his passive, Q and E allow him to hinder people from chasing his teammates when one gets caught, plus Q and W help him to survive/get away from that, while if she has to use E (pre-6 or her ult on cooldown) to give room to her teammate, Leona has no escapes and only a resists steroid to "protect" her. I consider it a weakness of Maokai's and hers, while Alistar and Nautilus have the tools to get away themselves amongst "diving" protectors. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:23 Sabin010 wrote: Hey I like Sejuani. She's a cc bot (tanky utility) jungler, and is actually very undervalued. Sure Sejuani isn't going to carry a game, but she's going to assist the carries in the same sense of a support. People feel the need to carry in solo queue, which is why junglers like WW, Nocturne, Lee, GP, Jax, Shaco, all see more play that her. Those types of junglers can get fed and actually carry a team. Sejuani doesn't need the kills as much, don't get me wrong she's going to want to gank and get a ton of assists. Guys like Amumu, Nautilus, Maokai, and Alistar all see more play as the Tanky support jungler, but the difference between them and Sejuani is that those junglers all fit more into a hard engage team composition, while Sejuani fits better in a team comp that (late game) wants to kite, poke, and chip the guys down before going all in and engaging. Sejuani is underplayed because:
Because of the above Sejuani is generally a weaker pick than the other junglers you listed. She can jungle, but not with the ease of her peers. It really has nothing to do with team compositions, Sejuani fits just as well in a hard engage composition as the other four junglers you listed. It's her jungling that's the issue. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
How often do you see Darius in your draft games (both normal and ranked)? I have seen more Shens than Darii (wtf plural?!) and this should mean something since I almost never see a Shen. I didn't play too much the past days, but even the days after his release I never saw him except in coop games. Out of maybe 25-30 games since his release I didn't see him once. Neither in my team nor in the enemy team. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:17 little fancy wrote: Short question purely out of personal interest: How often do you see Darius in your draft games (both normal and ranked)? I have seen more Shens than Darii (wtf plural?!) and this should mean something since I almost never see a Shen. I didn't play too much the past days, but even the days after his release I never saw him except in coop games. Out of maybe 25-30 games since his release I didn't see him once. Neither in my team nor in the enemy team. Only times I've seen him were in blind picks. He's literally been banned every draft game I've played since this patch came out. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:54 Celial wrote: Sup guys, I just started my project "Forever strong!" - an account with ONLY Noxus-affiliated champions. If I find it fun enough, I might even do it for the other factions. However, here is the list of champions: I only took those who are either part of the Noxian military, closely affiliated with the Noxian political landscape or where I can reasonably assume they would fight for Noxus. I didn't include Annie at first, but upon reading her lore I found out that Noxus uses her, lorewise. Riven is obvious, while not part of the Noxian society/hierarchy anymore she loves her country. Shaco is a crazy mass murderer, no reason for him not to fight. I excluded most other Zaunite champions since they have no part in in the Zaun-Noxus alliance/politics. I also excluded Mordekaiser and Gragas, while both are strongly connected to Noxus I doubt they care about the politics. There is only one problem: Noxus has apparently not a single support in it's roster. I guess I would have to play Talon support, the closest thing available. The only AD carry is Urgot, who isn't even a real AD carry (fucking Sivir, she just HAD TO defect...). The cool thing is, that Noxus has a VERY firm grip on the top lane and a decently strong jungle line-up. Mid lane is a bit tricky though, really a mixed bag. Luckily, Noxus being one of the primary factions they can field enough champions to enable draft mode and ranked games. I doubt Bilgewater or Freljord can do that :D Demacia has probably even more champions... However, I just started the account (bought Darius with leftover money from a Paysafe Card), the rest will be bought with only IP. This is gonna be fun :D This is pretty much why Noxus got dunked in the Noxus vs Ionia showmatch. Although. Neofeeder tried his best to keep Noxus in the match (he had the only death on Ionia IIRC). | ||
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