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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 14:17:42
April 23 2012 14:16 GMT
#1341
If I'm Cho'gath against Blitzcrank, I often intentionally get down to 2-3 stacks and don't recharge them after a point. You can fairly reasonably dodge his pull at this size, but you don't have any chance at all when you're at 6 stacks. I wouldn't say it's a good thing to get pulled, in principle your team should be able to jump on them when they try to focus you, but in reality it never seems to happen. At least for me.

Which is enormously frustrating. They blow every last cooldown on you, while your team is sitting there like pansies. WHY!?!? -_-
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
April 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#1342
there should never be a point when you're intentionally not getting stacks just for reduced size
cool beans
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 23 2012 15:35 GMT
#1343
Well if you are a 6stack cho getting pulled, that means theres a beefy mofo in their team while ur team can jump them... its a good thing usually
KCCO!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
April 23 2012 15:54 GMT
#1344
Depends on the stage of the game. Later on doesn't matter what chmap you are an ad carry kills you in 5 seconds and getting pulled is insta death who cares if they blow cds they can just back off and reengage.
InvaderUK
Profile Joined January 2011
225 Posts
April 23 2012 15:59 GMT
#1345
AD carries are op like that though, that's why I like to get thornmail and kill them while they kill them.
patriarch of the church of howard. may maokai smile upon you.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 23 2012 16:06 GMT
#1346
On April 24 2012 00:54 Slayer91 wrote:
Depends on the stage of the game. Later on doesn't matter what chmap you are an ad carry kills you in 5 seconds and getting pulled is insta death who cares if they blow cds they can just back off and reengage.


6 item alistar disagrees >:[
Remember Violet.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 16:30:15
April 23 2012 16:29 GMT
#1347
I'm starting to think that I don't deserve to be at my Elo. I've always told my friends you can carry yourself up to 1600's and stuff but I've been playing on a smurf and I've lost like 3-4 straight at 1400's because I haven't been carrying hard enough to win my games.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 23 2012 16:32 GMT
#1348
Well you can either drop some Elo or start deserving your current one. Your call.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
April 23 2012 16:42 GMT
#1349
On April 24 2012 01:29 wussleeQ wrote:
I'm starting to think that I don't deserve to be at my Elo. I've always told my friends you can carry yourself up to 1600's and stuff but I've been playing on a smurf and I've lost like 3-4 straight at 1400's because I haven't been carrying hard enough to win my games.


Sometimes you're going to just lose games. Like twice a season I've dropped like 10-15 games in a row based on luck or tilting and then you just rebound and win that many in a row or like 8/10 for awhile until things level off.
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
April 23 2012 17:24 GMT
#1350
On April 23 2012 23:16 zer0das wrote:
If I'm Cho'gath against Blitzcrank, I often intentionally get down to 2-3 stacks and don't recharge them after a point. You can fairly reasonably dodge his pull at this size, but you don't have any chance at all when you're at 6 stacks. I wouldn't say it's a good thing to get pulled, in principle your team should be able to jump on them when they try to focus you, but in reality it never seems to happen. At least for me.

Which is enormously frustrating. They blow every last cooldown on you, while your team is sitting there like pansies. WHY!?!? -_-

cho is my main and this happens all the time. people are afraid to engage on the team that is blowing all their cooldowns on me. it is very frustrating, especially at my level (low level play)
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11517 Posts
April 23 2012 17:30 GMT
#1351
I think that especially around the 1200 elo range, games are pretty random. Because everyone that starts ranked start there, and then you have the guy who was scared of ranked and wanted to be good enough right next to the guy who got 30 off of botgames. This means that you have a lot of people there who just don't belong there, in both directions, and that means that a lot of games are decided simply by which team gets the far better players. And that means that no matter how good you are, you will get games you just can't carry.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 23 2012 17:43 GMT
#1352
On April 24 2012 02:30 Simberto wrote:
I think that especially around the 1200 elo range, games are pretty random. Because everyone that starts ranked start there, and then you have the guy who was scared of ranked and wanted to be good enough right next to the guy who got 30 off of botgames. This means that you have a lot of people there who just don't belong there, in both directions, and that means that a lot of games are decided simply by which team gets the far better players. And that means that no matter how good you are, you will get games you just can't carry.


Yea its kinda funny when you are at that 1200-1350 elo range where it really is random when you get people 1st time ranked who are clueless and those who are smurfing new accounts but are like 17-1800 elo players lol. Like randomly in games you just get someone who is clearly better then everyone else in the game or someone who clearly doesn't belong and then you look at their wins and of course they have less then 10 cause they are basically playing their elo placement games. Just adds a bit more randomness to that elo range because its the placement range.
Never Knows Best.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 17:45:06
April 23 2012 17:44 GMT
#1353
the only ranked game this season that I played was a complete stomp, I was the only unranked player on my team of 1300-1400s and they had 4 unranked players and a 1200. So yeah, felt like a pretty random win.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 17:51:54
April 23 2012 17:51 GMT
#1354
I think it says a lot about Elo Hell when the closer you get to your true Elo the harder games become. I literally stomped all of my games on my smurf until I got to high 1800s and started losing some games. I still win more than I lose but I notice games are actually losable.

inb4 Robert Dinh
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 18:00:08
April 23 2012 17:53 GMT
#1355
On April 23 2012 10:44 cLutZ wrote:

1. I don't think Xin is real.


Oh, Xin is real :
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Xin_Zhao_the_Seneschal_of_Demacia
+ Show Spoiler [Spoiled because it's a spoiler] +
Xin Zhao, the Seneschal of Demacia is a champion in League of Legends.[2]


-

Edit: I can't believe I actually received a PM about this... Look guys, I know "real" is an expression, and this was pretty much a "troll" post, because IMO I think "real" is a stupid expression and is used in extremely wrong situations... I'm sorry that I didn't use enough sarcasm to make it blatantly obvious.

REAL
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
April 23 2012 18:01 GMT
#1356
On April 24 2012 02:51 HazMat wrote:
I think it says a lot about Elo Hell when the closer you get to your true Elo the harder games become. I literally stomped all of my games on my smurf until I got to high 1800s and started losing some games. I still win more than I lose but I notice games are actually losable.

inb4 Robert Dinh



Pretty much. After tanking all my placement matches I ended up at just above 800. From then on out I didn't lose a game until 1000. I don't think I had a 4v5 in there, but I got fed enough every game that that would not have mattered. Now I am struggling to break 1500, so my true elo is around there.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 18:03:31
April 23 2012 18:01 GMT
#1357
My normal games, even blind pick, are so much better than my 1200 ranked games. Some effort put into teamcomp, solid leashes, fairly consistent warding, contention for objectives, non-complete shit CS (110-120 by 20 min is average) etc. Sore thumbs here and there, but those are inevitable.

My Ranked games? I TRONDMERE OR FEED, NEED TO GUARD TOWER FOR 1 MINUTE TOWER RUSH. GANK KILL ME, JUNGLER NO GANK, I AFK HUEHUEHUE.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 23 2012 18:07 GMT
#1358
On April 24 2012 03:01 ManyCookies wrote:
My normal games, even blind pick, are so much better than my 1200 ranked games. Some effort put into teamcomp, solid leashes, fairly consistent warding, contention for objectives, non-complete shit CS (110-120 by 20 min is average) etc. Sore thumbs here and there, but those are inevitable.

My Ranked games? I TRONDMERE OR FEED, NEED TO GUARD TOWER FOR 1 MINUTE TOWER RUSH. GANK KILL ME, JUNGLER NO GANK, I AFK HUEHUEHUE.


tbh, I find the same thing and I'm at about 1500 atm. I think it's mostly that people in normals are more laid back and happy to do whatever than in ranked games where you have on average one person on tilt and one person who isn't happy with the role the rest of the team 'forced' them to play etc etc etc.

also it probably helps that I think my normal elo is through the roof
:3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 23 2012 18:14 GMT
#1359
Viktor so buggy, like 60% of my lasers had the graphical bug, and something like a third of that didn't even do damage either.
Well I'm not playing him again until he's fixed.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 23 2012 18:17 GMT
#1360
On April 24 2012 03:01 ManyCookies wrote:
My normal games, even blind pick, are so much better than my 1200 ranked games. Some effort put into teamcomp, solid leashes, fairly consistent warding, contention for objectives, non-complete shit CS (110-120 by 20 min is average) etc. Sore thumbs here and there, but those are inevitable.

My Ranked games? I TRONDMERE OR FEED, NEED TO GUARD TOWER FOR 1 MINUTE TOWER RUSH. GANK KILL ME, JUNGLER NO GANK, I AFK HUEHUEHUE.

hehe yeah i know the feeling. I stopped playing ranked (and have lost sooo much ELO because of it over a year) because of it. I'm a support player and so i'm completely at the mercy of having people who can be coordinated. I'm a very solid blitzcrank/karma/taric player, but those supports are MUCH less likely to be game changers than alistar.soraka janna all of whom i have a 80+ winrate with, while the supports i DO play i'm very very strong with them, but they are just the weaker supports. so i can't force wins in lost games with them. so i'm around 40% winrate with those. and with blitz i'm 10%, because sometimes my team is just miserable. I've have numerous games where i pull their carry into the 5 of us, and my team literally just runs away from the vayne i just separated from her supports and tanks. and then i get 1v5'd and die. and they can't win a 3v5 because vayne picks off 1 of them ect ect.

in normals i was bot with EZ, and we got 7 kills in 10 minutes because my pulls were on point and EZ was capitalizing on everything. ranked is by far worse than normals until 1750ish, where when i played on my friends account, i had about the same coordination i was getting in normals.
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