EPTI rather lose top lane, than play yorick.
[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 41
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I rather lose top lane, than play yorick. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:24 Seuss wrote: I need to play a game where I don't get 3+ kills in the first 10 minutes before I can give a decisive verdict. That said, I think as a community we severely underestimated how ridiculous his kit is for ganking, and by proxy his usefulness as a jungler. Every ability he has is strong in a ganking situation. Put succinctly:
Basically it's nigh impossible to stop Hecarim from catching you, even if he can't slow or auto-attack you he can still kill you, and it's hard as hell to kill him. I fully expect him to get nerfed if he catches on, whether or not he's actually strong. His ganks are Shaco/Rammus level in terms of how annoying/difficult they are to avoid. Those are some really favorable comparisons for Hecarim's abilities, Powerball lasts for three seconds longer than W and has 12 seconds less CD at level one, and Hecarim's E has no followup CC once it hits. Comparing Hecarim's ult which might be the weakest CC ult to Malphite's knockup, even though it does have better range, makes me cringe. I agree that his teamfight potential is really good because of the Q+W combination, but I think his ganks aren't strong enough with his horrible clear ability to actually get there. At this point I feel like people aren't used to them, but they don't have Rammus strength. | ||
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GreenManalishi
Canada834 Posts
On April 21 2012 02:48 spinesheath wrote: Speaking of bugs, has anyone else noticed a change with either Teemo's auto range or Galio's ult range? Teemo can auto Galio during his ult without getting taunted. I was really surprised when I found that out, and it seems so wrong. Gali'so taunt range is supposed to be 550 if I read the patch notes correctly, and Teemo has 500 auto range. Even with the auto/spell range inconsistency, it feels weird. Spell range and attack ranges are measured differently. Attack ranges are from the edge of a champions hit box, while spell ranges are measured from the middle. This is why TF's stun has a longer range than Sion's, even though Sion's stun is 600 range, and TF's auto range is 525. Since Teemo is a small model, his auto attack is probably at a spell range of 575 to 600. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Last night I played this game in soloQ in which the retards I got matched with fed the Eve to something like 10-2. We still won because the fed Eve couldn't carry whatsoever. A simple solution is to give her 50% tenacity (with partial stacking with items) in her ultimate. She will instantly | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Is there a way to make her viable? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Axiom00
United States10 Posts
:D so small and fluffy | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:50 GreenManalishi wrote: Spell range and attack ranges are measured differently. Attack ranges are from the edge of a champions hit box, while spell ranges are measured from the middle. This is why TF's stun has a longer range than Sion's, even though Sion's stun is 600 range, and TF's auto range is 525. Since Teemo is a small model, his auto attack is probably at a spell range of 575 to 600. Yes, I know that. I said that even considering that, it seems wrong to me. This raises an interesting question though: Does Galio's ult (and other AoE spells) hit an enemy if the center of the enemy is inside the AoE, or if any part of the hitbox is inside the AoE? I'd say the latter. If that is the case, Teemo hitting Galio without getting taunted should be less likely. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: So does anyone play Fiora? I bought her for some reason but she doesn't seem very good, and I very very rarely see her played. Is there a way to make her viable? I personally feel like she has a lot of unexplored potential... but most Fioras just can't seem to snowball even if they do well and just fall off. Maybe it's the way they build fiora or something. Just shooting hypothesis here but maybe you can try playing her bot-lane with a support vs ranged AD? Riposte pretty damn good against ranged AD. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: So does anyone play Fiora? I bought her for some reason but she doesn't seem very good, and I very very rarely see her played. Is there a way to make her viable? Honestly, I feel like Fiora is nothing more than a female, slightly better, version of Master Yi. :\ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Tho to be fair he was like 10-0 when he bought them | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:10 wei2coolman wrote: Omg, anyone watching scarra playing akali? lol going for triple stacks, mejais, leviathan, and sword of occult. shi'ts too cash. Its called bravery. And Caller did it first. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:53 Mementoss wrote: So many bugs.Click champ to see stats during character select and it wont let me exit it or resize the screen so I got randomed in fucking retarded. Tell me about it. | ||
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:03 Ryuu314 wrote: Honestly, I feel like Fiora is nothing more than a female, slightly better, version of Master Yi. :\ The main problem I feel is Yi is still better because Fiora can be hit by all cc and be screwed for her 3 second steroid while Yi only has to deal with the hard cc and can ignore slow peels. Multiple gap closers are just to compensate for the absurd amount of peels people give for their ranged ad carries and even then she has major problems. The current meta just has her dying too fast to double ap or kited too hard I feel and little to offer to her team in return. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
i wonder if Scarra is getting paid for each ad. lol | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: So does anyone play Fiora? I bought her for some reason but she doesn't seem very good, and I very very rarely see her played. Is there a way to make her viable? If he doesn't answer by himself, ask Slayer91. He played her a bunch in our normals until a while ago and did consistently well. And him playing consistently well in normals is quite rare. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On April 21 2012 03:53 Haemonculus wrote: So does anyone play Fiora? I bought her for some reason but she doesn't seem very good, and I very very rarely see her played. Is there a way to make her viable? I played a lot of fiora. I usually ended up getting sent bot but theoretically she's better top against someone who doesn't have insane sustain+armour+base damage. Something like janna fiora is really strong bot. She's good mid too. Jungle fiora is pretty bad, but doable. Basically you build kinda bruisery with either wits end or ghostblade as core and then stuff like hexdrinker and GA and wriggles. She does a lot of damage but she functions a bit like an assassin in teamfights. Her absurd speed from E means she can get away from a lot of shit if you have some resists, lifesteal, and your passive it means you can jump back in even when your ult in on cd. You tend to destroy bot lanes with a decent support because your burst is high and W counters AD's harass when it's off CD. I tend to max E first but you put 1 point in each at first and then you can choose to put extra points in Q and W earlier on when the sustained damage and speed matters less. The point of either a wits end or ghostblade core is that you need a little more attack speed for when your E runs out so you don't do zero damage and also wits procs on the ulti 5 times and ghostblade is good to use either during or after E it lasts a lot longer than E and with 2 jumps you can keep attacking people fairly easy. I think the key is not to be some kind of gimmicky 3 BTs and hope they split up champ and just build decent defensive items and teamfight smartly. Technically you're more of an assassin than a carry but if you chain kills starting from a squishy your E lets you kill everying tanks really well. I would said wriggles is core but after the nerf you can get away with buying with dorans blades. Lifesteal IS good on fiora, though. | ||
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