[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 42

On April 21 2012 04:41 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
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On April 21 2012 04:19 Slayer91 wrote:


I played a lot of fiora. I usually ended up getting sent bot but theoretically she's better top against someone who doesn't have insane sustain+armour+base damage.

Something like janna fiora is really strong bot. She's good mid too. Jungle fiora is pretty bad, but doable. Basically you build kinda bruisery with either wits end or ghostblade as core and then stuff like hexdrinker and GA and wriggles.

She does a lot of damage but she functions a bit like an assassin in teamfights. Her absurd speed from E means she can get away from a lot of shit if you have some resists, lifesteal, and your passive it means you can jump back in even when your ult in on cd.

You tend to destroy bot lanes with a decent support because your burst is high and W counters AD's harass when it's off CD. I tend to max E first but you put 1 point in each at first and then you can choose to put extra points in Q and W earlier on when the sustained damage and speed matters less.

The point of either a wits end or ghostblade core is that you need a little more attack speed for when your E runs out so you don't do zero damage and also wits procs on the ulti 5 times and ghostblade is good to use either during or after E it lasts a lot longer than E and with 2 jumps you can keep attacking people fairly easy.

I think the key is not to be some kind of gimmicky 3 BTs and hope they split up champ and just build decent defensive items and teamfight smartly. Technically you're more of an assassin than a carry but if you chain kills starting from a squishy your E lets you kill everying tanks really well.

I would said wriggles is core but after the nerf you can get away with buying with dorans blades. Lifesteal IS good on fiora, though.

On April 21 2012 03:30 Two_DoWn wrote:
T_D Jungle theory:

The main stat for any jungle is speed. How fast they clear the jungle. That is the starting point for everything that comes afterwards.

The question for individal jungle is what, if anything, they trade speed for.

Mundo, Udyr, and Noct dont trade speed for anything.

WW trades speed for safety. GP trades it for late game power. Shaco and rammus trade speed for absurd ganks.

So the real question for Hec jungle is wether or not that trade off is out of whack.

On April 21 2012 03:40 Seiuchi wrote:


Those are some really favorable comparisons for Hecarim's abilities, Powerball lasts for three seconds longer than W and has 12 seconds less CD at level one, and Hecarim's E has no followup CC once it hits.

Comparing Hecarim's ult which might be the weakest CC ult to Malphite's knockup, even though it does have better range, makes me cringe.

I agree that his teamfight potential is really good because of the Q+W combination, but I think his ganks aren't strong enough with his horrible clear ability to actually get there. At this point I feel like people aren't used to them, but they don't have Rammus strength.

On April 21 2012 04:22 Schwopzi wrote:
A few questions I had about hecarims e:
Does his knockback have the same duration as the movespeed increase. Or can you still use the knockback if you havent used it during your movespeed boost? And if so for how long?
Also does his movespeed boost last for the full 4 seconds if you use his knockback within 4 seconds?

On April 21 2012 04:43 WirelessWaffle wrote:


How do you manage most top lanes? For me it seems to use her passive or to actually deal with your lane opponent you're opening yourself up to be free jungler food.

Also have you played vs jax? that shit's hilarious.

On April 21 2012 04:44 gtrsrs wrote:
scarra's stream has mashme and lapaka
also going against LovelyChris on TF
chris is an absolute beast, he's not a real known player but you guys should watch and marvel at his godliness

On April 21 2012 04:51 HeroHenry wrote:

He's not looking so good atm.

On April 21 2012 04:54 daemir wrote:
Kinda rought matchup for TF no? Plus it's scarra, if you don't gank him 5 times in the first 7 minion waves, he gonna roll