EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 80
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:11 cLutZ wrote: SO your team lost the jungle, lost dragon/baron, and/or was bad at last hitting. The more I learn, the more I know that Kills are a mediocre stat in this game, like RBIs in baseball. Actually, we didnt lose jungle, baron or dragon. I was once again playing jungle, going something like 3-0-8. Somehow, my team didnt take advantage of anything, and we lost. But I agree, K/D means little when compared to higher objectives. It would appear that feeding my team isn't enough. Gotta find another way | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Scarra is pretty fucking amazing now that I get to watch him stream. #1 ap mid for NA from the looks of it. Not even close. In tournaments he gets ganked constantly by competent teams because he always overextends for CS. I like scarra but he's admitted this himself yet he keeps doing it. Meaning, he knows it's bad play yet insists on doing it anyways or else just doesn't want to correct it. In the games against M5 and aAa at Kiev you see him die tons of time in lane phase from ganks because he doesn't know when to play passive. In the case of aAa, Dig's other lanes won hard enough that scarra was able to come back into the game, but against M5 having a scarra who dies a lot can't really hold up to someone like Alex Ich who's just as good as him on AP. I'd definitely say that jiji or Salce are better/more solid AP carries in NA but I do think that scarra tends to make really big plays a lot more than other NA AP carries. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:30 overt wrote: Not even close. In tournaments he gets ganked constantly by competent teams because he always overextends for CS. I like scarra but he's admitted this himself yet he keeps doing it. Meaning, he knows it's bad play yet insists on doing it anyways or else just doesn't want to correct it. In the games against M5 and aAa at Kiev you see him die tons of time in lane phase from ganks because he doesn't know when to play passive. In the case of aAa, Dig's other lanes won hard enough that scarra was able to come back into the game, but against M5 having a scarra who dies a lot can't really hold up to someone like Alex Ich who's just as good as him on AP. I'd definitely say that jiji or Salce are better/more solid AP carries in NA but I do think that scarra tends to make really big plays a lot more than other NA AP carries. I meant for solo queue. Also he's playing AP trist and how can you not like that. I think salce is miles ahead of jiji, who doesn't do anything particularly good in any of his games. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I meant for solo queue. Also he's playing AP trist and how can you not like that. I think salce is miles ahead of jiji, who doesn't do anything particularly good in any of his games. I just think it's really telling that scarra dies more in lane than slump jiji did. Like, in terms of lane phase jiji, Salce, and Nyjacky are all more consistent/better than scarra. In terms of teamfighting scarra is better than all of them except maybe Salce. | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
First game they had janna/kog, we had lulu/ashe I felt like i couldn't harass kog very effectively because of kog w punishing quite hard and also janna shield. As soon as kog hit 6-7 the harass was really hard for us to handle. Second game they had taric/graves, we picked sona/ez. I felt like our sona pick was completely destroyed here since taric could just zone me (sona) with stun and the damage from graves was like a pot every single time. The armor off of graves+taric was really too much to handle as well. btw im speaking by my point of view (support) | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:26 XenOmega wrote: Actually, we didnt lose jungle, baron or dragon. I was once again playing jungle, going something like 3-0-8. Somehow, my team didnt take advantage of anything, and we lost. But I agree, K/D means little when compared to higher objectives. It would appear that feeding my team isn't enough. Gotta find another way Going 3/0/8 YOU should be making big things happen not hoping your team rides it through, if you aren't losing jungle/dragon/baron short of your team only getting half the enemies CS their is no real way that they can come back into it. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
Lifesteal nerf didn't look big on paper, but in practice, I'm really feeling it. No more running two jungle camps and going from 20% to full health. Seeing LOTS of Olafs in my games this week. I thought the tweaks were minor but he seems very, very strong. Rammus has been slipping past bans a lot this week also. Gets crushed every game. Sad to see him nerfed into the ground. Is my original favorite champion. RIP Ramm. | ||
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Qualm
721 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I meant for solo queue. Also he's playing AP trist and how can you not like that. I think salce is miles ahead of jiji, who doesn't do anything particularly good in any of his games. Jiji and Salce have a pretty similar playstyle, at least from what i've seen in solo q. Both just play safe and farm out, then usually play teamfight really well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 26 2012 14:48 Terranasaur wrote: Couple things, Lifesteal nerf didn't look big on paper, but in practice, I'm really feeling it. No more running two jungle camps and going from 20% to full health. Seeing LOTS of Olafs in my games this week. I thought the tweaks were minor but he seems very, very strong. Rammus has been slipping past bans a lot this week also. Gets crushed every game. Sad to see him nerfed into the ground. Is my original favorite champion. RIP Ramm. I honestly don't think he's weak because of nerfs. He's weak because he's been perma banned for at least a month. A month of no one playing him is definitely going to mean people are much worse at playing Rammus than they used to be. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
On March 26 2012 13:48 Bambipwnsu wrote: Ok so we just pretty much got destroyed bot lane and i'd like to ask for some feedback/ideas into the picks and how to play the lane. I don't remember the exact order of the picks so yeah...not very accurate. First game they had janna/kog, we had lulu/ashe I felt like i couldn't harass kog very effectively because of kog w punishing quite hard and also janna shield. As soon as kog hit 6-7 the harass was really hard for us to handle. Second game they had taric/graves, we picked sona/ez. I felt like our sona pick was completely destroyed here since taric could just zone me (sona) with stun and the damage from graves was like a pot every single time. The armor off of graves+taric was really too much to handle as well. btw im speaking by my point of view (support) Game 1 I don't know if there is anything you could have done. Ashe's lane phase is pretty rough to begin with and I find that she doesn't mesh well with Lulu. And unfortunately I don't believe that just taking it to a farm war is advantageous especially if they had a good "protect the Kog" team, in which case a farmed Kow'Maw is going to rip through your team like a hot knife through butter. You pretty much have to get ahead before Janna hits 6, and I mean REALLY ahead. Jungler intervention probably needed if only to try and get Kog off the creeps. If your AD manages to abuse her range and get some crits while arcane barrage is down maybe you can force him off the creeps and zone, but Janna shield plus the fact that Lulu similarly can't sustain makes it iffy. Now that I think about there might be a chance to get aggressive against them level's 2-4, but I dunno you'd have to execute really well and hope to get lucky. Game 2 Sounds like poor brush control to me. You probably need to buy a pink ward level 1 and make sure you keep his brush warded and yours unwarded. Force taric to be on the back foot. As long as you have vision of him you can play mindgames and always sit at the edge of his stun range. Basically you can bait him into walking into Ez q's and have to level his heal and waste his mana, making his armor buff less and making him unable to become aggressive. Graves is the wildcard here, if he decides to dash +Q you early you will take a ton of damage, but note that when he does this to you, he blew his cooldowns and Ez should be able to punish him for it. At worst if you can't do that, Sona and Ez early game burst should be enough to outright kill graves or Taric if they want to make an issue of you farming, and taking it to a farm war is to your advantage because Taric's lategame is awful. Hmmm, I think the gist of it is that you have to be on the same page as your Ez like all the time. My roomate mains Ezreal and I've played more Sona/Ez than I care to admit, but basically you bait and kite as much as possible and force Taric to be passive either by making him level heal to deal with your harass or by denying him vision and forcing a farm war. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On March 26 2012 15:44 Nos- wrote: Anyone watching Nhat Nguyen stream right now? 950 games with Yoyac youtube series incoming. him and his team just held out in a ward fortress. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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