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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 19:49:06
March 23 2012 19:48 GMT
#1241
On March 24 2012 04:46 NotTheMonker wrote:
TSM is talking about who among them has the most champions. Even the pros don't have all the champions!? wtf

They would if they spent their tournament winnings on champs instead of skins
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#1242
On March 24 2012 04:46 NotTheMonker wrote:
TSM is talking about who among them has the most champions. Even the pros don't have all the champions!? wtf


Entirely understandable if you consider that the actual pool of heroes that are viable for competitive play is relatively small to the total pool of heroes. There's no need for the pros to own every single one, especially since it takes money and a lot of time to buy them.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
March 23 2012 19:51 GMT
#1243
Also TSM are on their European accounts which they only created this year. On their main accounts they all own almost all of the champs.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 23 2012 19:52 GMT
#1244
On March 24 2012 04:46 NotTheMonker wrote:
TSM is talking about who among them has the most champions. Even the pros don't have all the champions!? wtf

They recently moved over to EU West, so they don't have all the champs there.
God Bless
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 23 2012 19:52 GMT
#1245
I seem to remember Wick'd a while ago(when SK had him..) saying he didn't have some champions mostly because he'd never play them and he'd never needed to do so. I'd agree with exception of tournaments you really only need so many. *shrug* It would make switching champions after picks hilariously awkward if you didn't happen to own the champion they wanted..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 23 2012 19:54 GMT
#1246
On March 24 2012 04:37 Offhand wrote:
Teemo doesn't care about CDR or MP5 for instance

Massive shroom gardens. Enough said.

"Random" AP ratios help when you consider stuff like Baron buff, WotA, Taric ult and so on. In some cases, a hybrid item might be a viable choice. Maybe you want the Gunblade nuke/slow on a champion but because you only have scaling of one type it's not efficient enough. There's just more options if you have more than just one type of scaling.

And they are fun. That's the important part.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
March 23 2012 19:54 GMT
#1247
On March 24 2012 04:52 Parnage wrote:
I seem to remember Wick'd a while ago(when SK had him..) saying he didn't have some champions mostly because he'd never play them and he'd never needed to do so. I'd agree with exception of tournaments you really only need so many. *shrug* It would make switching champions after picks hilariously awkward if you didn't happen to own the champion they wanted..


Then tell the other team what you're picking and pick Eve as a stand-in, it's what TSM does all the time lol.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
Sponge75
Profile Joined May 2011
England194 Posts
March 23 2012 20:24 GMT
#1248
What's the general consesus on spell vamp quints for manaless casters like Vlad/Rumble/Kennen? Because I see some pro's using them and some using just flap ap quints, is it just personal preference?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 23 2012 20:31 GMT
#1249
On March 24 2012 05:24 Sponge75 wrote:
What's the general consesus on spell vamp quints for manaless casters like Vlad/Rumble/Kennen? Because I see some pro's using them and some using just flap ap quints, is it just personal preference?

It depends on the matchup and how you want to play it out and whether more burst or more sustain is more important.

I'd have both pages and pick as needed
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 23 2012 20:42 GMT
#1250
Just to let you all know. I have finished my finals. GD will no longer be safe!
liftlift > tsm
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 23 2012 20:45 GMT
#1251
well in terms of gold efficiency the quints themselves are n ot very impressive
however, in terms of a stat, spellvamp and lifesteal are more useful if you are allowed to consistently hit creeps with the relevant attack / spells and can consistently make use of the healing. in other words, in lanes where you would be dominating either way it would be pretty inefficient as you would not be able to make full use of the healing nor would you desire it over additional damage. likewise, in lanes where you lose hard, you would not want it either imo because you would not be able to hit creeps or the enemy champion in any meaningful way without being punished such that the relative inefficiency of the quints would be greater than the additional damage or mitigation that flat MR / armor or AP / AD would give you

i think kennen probably has the nicest time with them as he is able to apply the spellvamp as he desires on a relatively low CD to creeps or the enemy champion (as it has great range and low CD for his Q at least) and he is generally able to dictate the pace of a lane because his counterharass and stun prevents an enemy from going on him early levels without eating a devestating amount of creep aggro. the nature of the quints themselves would make it such that you prefer a drawn out laning phase with small harass that builds up (and allows you to utilize your quints so that you slowly but surely outsustain your opponent). i think that they are niche enough that they are certainly not a must-buy on any champion at the moment, but for connoisseurs of the champions that may use them, they might be a curious option
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hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
March 23 2012 21:02 GMT
#1252
Scarra about to play AP Blitz mid: http://www.twitch.tv/scarra

He says he's started legendary most of the times before. This should be good. :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 23 2012 21:03 GMT
#1253
On March 24 2012 04:54 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 04:52 Parnage wrote:
I seem to remember Wick'd a while ago(when SK had him..) saying he didn't have some champions mostly because he'd never play them and he'd never needed to do so. I'd agree with exception of tournaments you really only need so many. *shrug* It would make switching champions after picks hilariously awkward if you didn't happen to own the champion they wanted..


Then tell the other team what you're picking and pick Eve as a stand-in, it's what TSM does all the time lol.

Or just allow to switch place when it's your turn to pick.
Even easier...
The legend of Darien lives on
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 23 2012 21:12 GMT
#1254
But they don't want to reveal a pick that could be countered if its earlier in the picks...
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 23 2012 21:24 GMT
#1255
Um...


Everlasting, in every game I have ever seen of him in streams, has always failed and fed horribly. How's he high elo :/ Makes me sad.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
March 23 2012 21:28 GMT
#1256
On March 24 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:
But they don't want to reveal a pick that could be countered if its earlier in the picks...

They should just do what DotA does, let the captain make all the picks based on your combined hero pool (which they can obviously see because that's how they let you do bans) and then have each person pick which hero they're playing.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 23 2012 21:38 GMT
#1257
On March 24 2012 06:28 arnath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:
But they don't want to reveal a pick that could be countered if its earlier in the picks...

They should just do what DotA does, let the captain make all the picks based on your combined hero pool (which they can obviously see because that's how they let you do bans) and then have each person pick which hero they're playing.

Sure would be scary when you got a troll captain.
The legend of Darien lives on
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 21:38:54
March 23 2012 21:38 GMT
#1258
That'd probably be more effiicent, though should exclusively be a tournament thing.


"Im gong trondomere. i need support, so u all get Kayle, Nidalee, Janna, and Nunu."
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
March 23 2012 21:41 GMT
#1259
On March 24 2012 06:28 arnath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:
But they don't want to reveal a pick that could be countered if its earlier in the picks...

They should just do what DotA does, let the captain make all the picks based on your combined hero pool (which they can obviously see because that's how they let you do bans) and then have each person pick which hero they're playing.


Hai guys, watcha wanna play? Oh those are some nice picks... I'll choose a full support team for u guysLOLLLLLLLLLLLL

Or

Hey you want to play an unorthodox champ that works and you enjoy playing? Nope you get boring meta junk GL HF

Crispy Bacon craving overload.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 23 2012 21:44 GMT
#1260
Would work fine in arranged 5s though.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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