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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 23 2012 18:37 GMT
#1221
How can anybody hate Dyrus. Have you ever seen his T spins in Tetris?
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
March 23 2012 18:38 GMT
#1222
On March 24 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
Does this thread just vacillate between Dyrus hate and Dyrus love now?


Dyrus spends a lot of time as a whiny bitch and everyone gets sick of it. Now that he's on an active team his attitude is back to being awesome again and he's everyone's hero.

I'm loving it personally.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 23 2012 18:39 GMT
#1223
On March 24 2012 02:44 Gahlo wrote:
Regi: Don't get hit by arrow dude
*Regi gets hit by arrow*

...i do this like ALL THE TIME

On March 24 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
Does this thread just vacillate between Dyrus hate and Dyrus love now?

...how does someone hate dyrus?
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
March 23 2012 18:40 GMT
#1224
On March 24 2012 03:34 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
Does this thread just vacillate between Dyrus hate and Dyrus love now?


People hate Dyrus?

I wasn't a big fan because he was so emotionless it was boring to watch. He seems to have perked up recently so I find myself watching him a lot more often.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
March 23 2012 18:44 GMT
#1225
On March 24 2012 03:40 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:34 nojitosunrise wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
Does this thread just vacillate between Dyrus hate and Dyrus love now?


People hate Dyrus?

I wasn't a big fan because he was so emotionless it was boring to watch. He seems to have perked up recently so I find myself watching him a lot more often.

Yep, this and he was kinda whiny too. I think TSM brought more out of him and he toned the team down a little. Win win imo.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#1226
If you like Dyrus then you haven't had the wonderful opportunity to play with him in solo queue.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
March 23 2012 18:48 GMT
#1227
So is Rainman out of TSM or what ?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2012 18:57 GMT
#1228
this udyr on st vicious stream

rofl
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 23 2012 19:03 GMT
#1229
On March 24 2012 02:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Riot is changing a lot of champs from scaling with just AD to scaling off bonus AD. As long as the base damage is the same, shouldn't they do the same thing? No actually I get it. The ratio changed and the flat scaling didn't change enough.

I find it much worse that AD champs are slowly losing their AP ratios and vice versa. They might as well remove every single hybrid item from the game while they're at it... I would appreciate it if they didn't try so hard to streamline everything.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 23 2012 19:04 GMT
#1230
On March 24 2012 04:03 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 02:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Riot is changing a lot of champs from scaling with just AD to scaling off bonus AD. As long as the base damage is the same, shouldn't they do the same thing? No actually I get it. The ratio changed and the flat scaling didn't change enough.

I find it much worse that AD champs are slowly losing their AP ratios and vice versa. They might as well remove every single hybrid item from the game while they're at it... I would appreciate it if they didn't try so hard to streamline everything.

making a chamop that actually uses hybrid items would be nice.

but just throwing in random ap scaling on ad champs is really dumb.

like yorick w for example. or an ap champ with an ad scaling ability.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
March 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#1231
On March 24 2012 03:48 pokerface wrote:
So is Rainman out of TSM or what ?


Replaced by Dryus yes. As to why he hasn't changed his account names to take out TSM? No clue, ask him.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
March 23 2012 19:06 GMT
#1232
On March 24 2012 03:48 HazMat wrote:
If you like Dyrus then you haven't had the wonderful opportunity to play with him in solo queue.


just curious, have you played soloqueue with him after he joined tsm / is it any different? because the few times i watched his stream before, it was painful to watch. it seemed like he was always losing and whining... but the more recent games i've seen have been much more fun to watch. but i haven't watched enough to know if there's actually a difference or if it was just coincidence (also, he may be less whiny just because he hasn't been feeding).
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#1233
On March 24 2012 03:57 arb wrote:
this udyr on st vicious stream

rofl


...

Just talking about random streams w/o a link is hilariously frustrating. Or does everyone else have 10 LoL streams bookmarked?
Freeeeeeedom
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 19:09:56
March 23 2012 19:08 GMT
#1234
On March 24 2012 04:06 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:48 pokerface wrote:
So is Rainman out of TSM or what ?


Replaced by Dryus yes. As to why he hasn't changed his account names to take out TSM? No clue, ask him.

benched, still playing in TSM house afaik


On March 24 2012 04:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:57 arb wrote:
this udyr on st vicious stream

rofl


...

Just talking about random streams w/o a link is hilariously frustrating. Or does everyone else have 10 LoL streams bookmarked?


http://clgaming.net/livestreams
http://solomid.net/streams.php

aggregate stream sites
Hey! Listen!
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 23 2012 19:09 GMT
#1235
On March 24 2012 04:06 danana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:48 HazMat wrote:
If you like Dyrus then you haven't had the wonderful opportunity to play with him in solo queue.


just curious, have you played soloqueue with him after he joined tsm / is it any different? because the few times i watched his stream before, it was painful to watch. it seemed like he was always losing and whining... but the more recent games i've seen have been much more fun to watch. but i haven't watched enough to know if there's actually a difference or if it was just coincidence (also, he may be less whiny just because he hasn't been feeding).


Out of all the TSM members I've seen, only Dyrus makes a concerted effort to improve (noting mistakes, actually writing them down).

Regi is on the other end of the spectrum............"Dude I died! Dude wtf dude!"
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 23 2012 19:11 GMT
#1236
On March 24 2012 04:06 danana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:48 HazMat wrote:
If you like Dyrus then you haven't had the wonderful opportunity to play with him in solo queue.


just curious, have you played soloqueue with him after he joined tsm / is it any different? because the few times i watched his stream before, it was painful to watch. it seemed like he was always losing and whining... but the more recent games i've seen have been much more fun to watch. but i haven't watched enough to know if there's actually a difference or if it was just coincidence (also, he may be less whiny just because he hasn't been feeding).


dyrus has always played well in the games i've played with vs him, but he does troll if his team does really badly lol
good enough of a player that i would still much rather have him on my team than vs
Hey! Listen!
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 19:17:17
March 23 2012 19:15 GMT
#1237
On March 24 2012 04:04 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 04:03 spinesheath wrote:
On March 24 2012 02:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Riot is changing a lot of champs from scaling with just AD to scaling off bonus AD. As long as the base damage is the same, shouldn't they do the same thing? No actually I get it. The ratio changed and the flat scaling didn't change enough.

I find it much worse that AD champs are slowly losing their AP ratios and vice versa. They might as well remove every single hybrid item from the game while they're at it... I would appreciate it if they didn't try so hard to streamline everything.

making a chamop that actually uses hybrid items would be nice.

but just throwing in random ap scaling on ad champs is really dumb.

like yorick w for example. or an ap champ with an ad scaling ability.



I disagree, I don't think throwing in random ap scaling is dumb.

How is Yorick's w any better without any scaling? Or are you saying that his W is too weak because it doesn't scale with AD, which is an entirely different question altogether?

Making everything so it scales only off one specific build path makes everything much more bland and takes away any room for zany experimentation. Sure, for Yorick building AP is stupid, but that doesn't mean that having an AP ratio is any worse than just having a non-scaling slow. Yi and Trist both are considered viable only as AD, but both can be built as AP for fun, and that makes the game more interesting, not less.
AP Shaco can be hilarious, and just because it's weaker doesn't mean it shouldn't be part of a /game/. (And yes, I recall someone in this forum saying he sometimes builds AP yorick just for fun, since nobody expects yorick with an aoe nuke. Like AD sona, it doesn't need to be competitively viable to be fun.)

I'd rather see them encourage more whacky/experimental builds in casual play rather than making everything dull and monotonic. Even if you make everything "obvious", you'll still see players with awful builds, so that's not something you fix by removing those secondary ratios.


I guess it boils down to: Do you want to leave players some freedom to do creative but not optimal builds (it's still a game after all)?
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 19:39:55
March 23 2012 19:37 GMT
#1238
Hybrid items, with few exceptions, have bizarre itemization. Look at Nashor's for instance, you get AS, CDR, MP5, and AP. There's just no champ who can use all of that effectively. You could buy it for Teemo or Kayle, but there's still some level of wasted itemization (Teemo doesn't care about CDR or MP5 for instance). Malady is strictly worse then wit's end.

To be honest, Gunblade and Rageblade are the only two hybrid items with good stats spreads. But so few characters actually build them nowadays.

E: They would have to address other issue to make hybrid damage truly viable. The offense tree may as well be two boxes marked "left" and "right". The hybrid runes were a correct step, but even with the larger amount of overall stat they provide, they still aren't considered superior to pure mpen/arpen runes on any champ I've played.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 19:41:23
March 23 2012 19:40 GMT
#1239
On March 24 2012 04:15 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 04:04 arb wrote:
On March 24 2012 04:03 spinesheath wrote:
On March 24 2012 02:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Riot is changing a lot of champs from scaling with just AD to scaling off bonus AD. As long as the base damage is the same, shouldn't they do the same thing? No actually I get it. The ratio changed and the flat scaling didn't change enough.

I find it much worse that AD champs are slowly losing their AP ratios and vice versa. They might as well remove every single hybrid item from the game while they're at it... I would appreciate it if they didn't try so hard to streamline everything.

making a chamop that actually uses hybrid items would be nice.

but just throwing in random ap scaling on ad champs is really dumb.

like yorick w for example. or an ap champ with an ad scaling ability.



I disagree, I don't think throwing in random ap scaling is dumb.

How is Yorick's w any better without any scaling? Or are you saying that his W is too weak because it doesn't scale with AD, which is an entirely different question altogether?

Making everything so it scales only off one specific build path makes everything much more bland and takes away any room for zany experimentation. Sure, for Yorick building AP is stupid, but that doesn't mean that having an AP ratio is any worse than just having a non-scaling slow. Yi and Trist both are considered viable only as AD, but both can be built as AP for fun, and that makes the game more interesting, not less.
AP Shaco can be hilarious, and just because it's weaker doesn't mean it shouldn't be part of a /game/. (And yes, I recall someone in this forum saying he sometimes builds AP yorick just for fun, since nobody expects yorick with an aoe nuke. Like AD sona, it doesn't need to be competitively viable to be fun.)

I'd rather see them encourage more whacky/experimental builds in casual play rather than making everything dull and monotonic. Even if you make everything "obvious", you'll still see players with awful builds, so that's not something you fix by removing those secondary ratios.


I guess it boils down to: Do you want to leave players some freedom to do creative but not optimal builds (it's still a game after all)?

No i'm saying have W with a random AP ratio when no ones going to build him AP is ridiculous(esp considering was AD before they randomly decided to make it AP)

I don't think its bad par say, but still just having them randomly on there with no real reason or giving someone a reasont o prefer the alternative(ad/ap) is just kinda dumb it hink

On March 24 2012 04:08 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:57 arb wrote:
this udyr on st vicious stream

rofl


...

Just talking about random streams w/o a link is hilariously frustrating. Or does everyone else have 10 LoL streams bookmarked?


I assume most people have solomid/clg bookmarked, making it quite easy to access.

People do it all the time in GD anyway.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
NotTheMonker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States131 Posts
March 23 2012 19:46 GMT
#1240
TSM is talking about who among them has the most champions. Even the pros don't have all the champions!? wtf
You cant be a good rapper without rhymes, and you cant be a good Pokemon trainer without CATCHING MORE POKEMON.
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