EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 58
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Craton
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Two_DoWn
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Sabin010
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 23 2012 22:14 ihasaKAROT wrote: Allways nice to see the giant general discussion about if we have enough general discussion  Btw, blue nerf, how bad is it now everyones played with it? Havent heared anyone talk about it after the patch actually hit... It's noticeable, but nothing game breaking. It just requires a bit more conscientiousness while harrassing and poking, which isn't really necessarily a bad thing. It will separate the APs who know how to manage their mana from those who don't. | ||
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Craton
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jcarlsoniv
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
The baddies just have to be marginally better now. Semi-baddies, so to say. I would have preferred if they hit the CDR component too, blue still way too stronk. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
But you should not be opening vamp on LS. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On March 23 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Hm, I'm not that good a jungler, but a friend of mine is, and he said that you should go boots instead of vamp everytime, always now. Basically your opening item in the jungle is dependent upon the champion and play style. Vamp routes are for more afk jungle farming, boots and pots is a medium build on ganking and farming, cloth 5 pot is all about early ganking and counter jungling. Junglers who can get away with any items, and have good scaling, or just don't get a lot out of wriggles can open regrowth and go for fast philo. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 23 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Hm, I'm not that good a jungler, but a friend of mine is, and he said that you should go boots instead of vamp everytime, always now. I dissagree with this. If you can get away with a vamp, it is by probably the best starting item IMO, especially if you are playing someone who just wants to farm early on like Noct. The problem is that it can get difficult to actually play off: no pots means getting messed with at all can really hurt. But if you can pull it off successfully it is the most efficient way to open, at least in my oppinion. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On March 23 2012 22:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Hm, I'm not that good a jungler, but a friend of mine is, and he said that you should go boots instead of vamp everytime, always now. Boots 3 is a fairly standard start these days, but it's just dumb to pigeonhole opening items into a single possibility. You can also start dblade for a more aggressive start or even cloth 5 for a more farm heavy path. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On March 23 2012 22:51 Solaris.playgu wrote: I have a question to you junglers out there regarding the life steal nerf. I have been playing tanky junglers a lot (Maokai, Nautilus, Skarner etc...) and recently started trying out the more damage-based ones (Lee Sin, Nocturne and so on). Reading guides they all say to start with vampiric scepter, and my question is if this still is the best option with the nerf? Or should I start boots or cloth instead now, depending on what my early game plans are? Maokai,skarner,don't know about nautilus but I assume he as well all are better off start with regrowth +1 pot. Udyr's most common opening is boots+3pots,vamp scepter usually was for jarvan,trundle and nocturne and you can still do it on them regardless of the nerf.Trundle takes no damage in the jungle,jarvan gets a bit low but its fine,nocturne is kinda fine but you can start cloth 5 if you don't feel comfortable. If you start red than your probably going to want to gank early and so its good to start cloth 5 or boots 3 pot. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 23 2012 23:04 Solaris.playgu wrote: Ok, that's good to know. But why not on LS? According to theoddone's guide I should, and I've had enough success with his other guides to trust him so far. I do find myself getting pretty low with vamp on him though, I just reckoned that was because I haven't been able to afford proper runes for him yet, so still running AS reds and MS quints which I need to change into armor penetration and flat AD. Because LS doesnt want to farm, the main reason for grabbing a vamp cepter. He wants to gank. And as a ganker, either boots or a dblade is going to assist what you want to do much better than a vamp cepter would. Hell, even cloth 5 is better to that end than a vamp cepter. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
On March 23 2012 23:05 TheKefka wrote: Maokai,skarner,don't know about nautiulust all are better off start with regrowth +1 pot. Yes ofc, the question was regarding damage-based junglers like LS and Nocturne. For reference Nautilus likes cloth/5 and boots/3 a lot, boots if you get a good leash, cloth otherwise. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
On March 23 2012 23:08 Two_DoWn wrote: Because LS doesnt want to farm, the main reason for grabbing a vamp cepter. He wants to gank. And as a ganker, either boots or a dblade is going to assist what you want to do much better than a vamp cepter would. Hell, even cloth 5 is better to that end than a vamp cepter. Sounds legit, I'll try that out then. Would you proceed into a lantern afterwards anyway? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 23 2012 23:04 Solaris.playgu wrote: Ok, that's good to know. But why not on LS? According to theoddone's guide I should, and I've had enough success with his other guides to trust him so far. I do find myself getting pretty low with vamp on him though, I just reckoned that was because I haven't been able to afford proper runes for him yet, so still running AS reds and MS quints which I need to change into armor penetration and flat AD. You start Vamp scepter instead of boots three you wont have the life for a sick Level 2 gank on LeeSin after Wraiths Red unless you got a stupidly hard leash... and even if you do you don't run fast so your ganks not as strong. If you want to do any counter jungling than Cloth+5 better. I dunno, Vamp scepter just seems kinda greedy to me, sure it more efficient but you have no room to be messed with.... unless you on good farmer/very safe jungler other openings safer. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
This is the opposite for me >.> If you want to go farm heavy why would you wast precious gold on useless pots ? Grab a vampiric and afk in your jungle, or boots to run faster from camp to camp. Cloth 5 doesn't add anything to your clear times and makes you waste a lot of money in pots as well. | ||
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