EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 57
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
1. The time filling between shit is happening is terrible. I mean bot lane is farming is terrible commentary people should really analyze at these parts of the game. ESPECIALLY jungling but also how people and why they are standing in the posistion they are. 2. They should go EG on the camera and have the possibility of split screen obsing. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
It's simple/seemingly innocuous little things like if a mid AP ate a binding/pool then it could snowball into an invade into the top jungle by 1 or more of the team that couldn't be contested because the mid laner is now too weak to fight and maybe also the top laner has a huge wave at their tower they can't leave (or an unfavorable early matchup, blown summoners, etc.). A good caster can recognize that top can't leave for whatever reason, see mid eat some damage, and then realize an invade could come as a result. It's just not something you can see clearly unless you have a lot of experience either doing it or seeing it done. Unfortunately, most casters don't. This is (again) especially obvious with OGN's english casters (who are SC2 casters with very shallow LoL knowledge) and Riot casters. Rivington occasionally drops some interesting knowledge of obscure mechanics that I presume he knows from working at the company, but that's about it. IPL's casters are a bit better (iirc one of them is 1900s?) and they at least make the right step of deferring to whatever pro they're casting with by posing it as a question (e.g. "what can team X do to secure a dragon at this point"), although that's still a step below being able to analyze it yourself. I liked Panky, but I haven't seen enough of him to know how deep his knowledge is. Too many casters just lack the knowledge/experience/ability to look several steps ahead and talk about it and instead fall back on easy topics like comparing CS. Occasionally I see some try, but end up just make really inaccurate statements that makes me mute the stream for a minute until the next conversation. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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fcgog
United Kingdom876 Posts
On March 23 2012 19:34 nojitosunrise wrote: But ogn doesn't care about having a depth of knowledge. They prefer a breadth of knowledge that appeals to the extreme casual fans. (for now) but why would they when no casuals would watch ogns English cast | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On March 23 2012 19:37 fcgog wrote: but why would they when no casuals would watch ogns English cast More than that, no casual watches English LoL casts on anything. They shouldn't have the same approach for the two streams. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Poll: What should General Discussion be like? Broad discussion, all-inclusive (as before) (35) Strategy/Gameplay only with separate threads for other topics (9) Broad discussion, strategy/gameplay separated into a separate thread (4) 48 total votes Your vote: What should General Discussion be like? (Vote): Strategy/Gameplay only with separate threads for other topics | ||
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Everhate
United States640 Posts
On March 23 2012 15:02 meguca wrote: Hello, I've started playing LoL recently, and I was wondering if there's any advice out there that might be pertinent to my situation, both as a beginner and as someone who seeks to primarily focus upon the roles of support and top lane. So far, I have predominately played Janna in most of my support games while preferring Irelia and for top lane. I feel as though I've reached a sort of plateau with regards to my skill level, and I was hoping that someone might have some insights about what might work for breaking out of this sort of 'rut' as far as my LoL play goes. Moreover--this is a bit of a stretch, and it probably would be rather time-consuming, but if I posted one or two replays, might anyone be willing to watch them and give me some advice about my play? I'm not particularly good or anything, so it might be a bit painful to see me fail so much  Thanks, meguca Couple pages later... I primarily support also, with a bit of dabbling in top and jungle. In terms of improving or just having an enjoyable time, you may want to try out a couple of champs jungling if you're looking to branch out a bit. A lot of the same map awareness applies, and you get plenty of time to watch the map, enemy movements, warn your allies, assist in fights and the like. As to support specifically (because i'm pretty awful at top, heh), Alistar I find to be a lot of fun to play, and has a reliatively high skill cap that functions very well in quite a few lanes, so that would be one worth taking up. Sona/Soraka/Taric I find to be less fun and a bit more straightforward, though there is some subtelty. If nothing else, spending a play session working on a particular support may give you a better idea of what works well as far as lane partners or opponent matchups (like, if my opponents pick vayne I'm not likely to pick the cow unless we're going to need the tanky type, since vayne destroys him through ult. If, however, they pick blitz, I just have a party in bot and try to bait him to land a hook on me...it's really rather enjoyable) Lulu has been fun so far, and seems to be solid in most bot matchups, though I'm still experimenting with skill order and build (early game mana is worse than sona if you're harassing quite a bit), and several of the non-traditional supports (Nunu, Leona, Blitz, even Amumu at times) can be quite fun and solid in the right matchup. I personally find that having fun playing a champ is the best way to get better at them, because you're motivated to continue to play, and a lot of support gameplay is just about number of games and different lane matchups figuring out what you can and cant get away with. Hope some of that is helpful, though I'm far from an expert =D | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On March 23 2012 18:56 Craton wrote: I really don't get why we're trying to split everything that should fit nicely in GD into 50 different hyper-specialized threads. It really kills a lot of potential discussion because of how much less people are going to check all the disparate threads. There isn't a need to split it in the first place since GD generally finishes a given topic in a very short period of time. You can just take a look at how incredibly inactive these threads are and see this clearly illustrated. The thread note also irks me to no end. How dumb do you think the average user is that they can't keep track of "multiple discussions" going on at once to the point where the thread must actively weed out a dozen topics for the poor reader to manage. Thread just isn't general discussion anymore. In fact, if the issue is that discussion is "deviating from strategy," why don't you make a strategy thread and leave everything else in GD instead of trying to transform GD into something it's not. It's completely backwards. I think there should be two threads This one (which is more related to strategy type posting) and one for eSports related discussion. The starcraft forums have separate strategy forums for a reason. It makes discussions much more clear. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
The difference between the replay thread and the QQ/brag threads is that no one wants to read other people's qq/brags, but we DO want to read and discuss peoples thoughts on scrims. But Neo decided that it needed to change I guess. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I took down the thread header because Craton makes a good point that the amount of traffic we get in our subforum atm doesn't reflect the need make this distinct separation. So I'm going to put the split on hold for now. But Craton, The thread note also irks me to no end. How dumb do you think the average user is that they can't keep track of "multiple discussions" going on at once to the point where the thread must actively weed out a dozen topics for the poor reader to manage. The fuck man? | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
qq->shikyo brag->loci specific champ discussions/questions->champ threads | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
 Btw, blue nerf, how bad is it now everyones played with it? Havent heared anyone talk about it after the patch actually hit... | ||
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