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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 23 2012 00:39 GMT
#1041
All of those are solid top choices.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23438 Posts
March 23 2012 00:41 GMT
#1042
Don't forget UDYR!
Bezelheim
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada61 Posts
March 23 2012 00:53 GMT
#1043
Who would you guys run top and jungle in a poke/disengage comp? I was thinking Nidalee mid, Corki bot with Janna, but no clue who to run in the other two places.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 23 2012 01:05 GMT
#1044
Trundle in da jungle. Pillar is very good disengage when used right.

Classic old-school CLG poke-heal comp was Nidalee, TF, Cait, Trundle, Sona. Koggles also works well.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 23 2012 01:10 GMT
#1045
On March 23 2012 09:53 Bezelheim wrote:
Who would you guys run top and jungle in a poke/disengage comp? I was thinking Nidalee mid, Corki bot with Janna, but no clue who to run in the other two places.

Nidalee Top, Ziggs (lots of ap can poke) Mid, Ezreal/Corki Bot, Janna Support, Trundle Jungle
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 23 2012 01:13 GMT
#1046
On March 23 2012 09:53 Bezelheim wrote:
Who would you guys run top and jungle in a poke/disengage comp? I was thinking Nidalee mid, Corki bot with Janna, but no clue who to run in the other two places.



run Nid top, she is one of the only pokey champs with sustain, there are tons of pokey mids

Tops: Nid, heimer, Urgot

Mids: Ahri, Cass, Brand, Lux, Xerath, Viktor, Zilean, Veig, Ziggs, TF

Bot: Kog,Corki with janna

the jungle is the trickier part, for poking comps what people forget is that you need to have some sort of deterrant for the other team to just fucking go in on you, this means CC. Good jungles:

Maokai: Sapling poke, CC, ult that discourages being initaited on

Mundo: Actually solid poke with Q dealing percentage health, not much CC though

Chogath: huge deterrant to being initiated on, 3 second AOE silence and knockup which is good for poke, and really good for people charging you
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 23 2012 01:15 GMT
#1047
When CLG were practicing poke comps, they were doing trundle jungle, ap nid/kog/tf, cait sona bot, and kennen top iirc. In theory you could do AD Kog with AP nid and AP Ken and have all kinds of retarded poke and kite (sona haste/slow, trundle slow, kog slow, nid pounce, ken e), not to mention 2 heals. You just have to be really careful to not get hard engaged on because your team fight is weak.

I don't feel like there are poke options for top other than nid and ken. You probably want to ban out leona and maybe GP.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 23 2012 01:42 GMT
#1048
i second trundle jungle for poke comps. His pillar is so strong for disengages.
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ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
March 23 2012 01:42 GMT
#1049
In general i would think you would either want really strong kiting ability or just high damage long range skillshots with some Supporting ranged cc and anything that would help with kiting.
Nid and kennen for top.
Ahri would be a really good mid for this in my opinion, tho tf orianna gragas and possibly lux and viktor would seem to be good as well.
Ashe, Ezreal, cait and corki would be good ad carries
janna for her ult/passive/q/w and sona for her ult/e would work for support.
trundle jungle...possibly cho though he would be less reliable.

I've seen CLG use:
Nid/kennen top
Nid/TF/Orianna mid
Trundle jungle
cait/corki/urgot ad
sona and janna support
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 23 2012 01:56 GMT
#1050
Anivia is an excellent mid for this too, because of her wall, long-range stun, and ult.
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petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
March 23 2012 02:20 GMT
#1051
On March 23 2012 09:23 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 09:10 Promises wrote:
I was wondering, which classes are considered to beat Jax reliably top? I went against him with Yorick for the first time today and while I did fine the first few levels soon after he just started raping me and I couldn't find anything to do about it, something that very rarely happens to me on Yorick. So who do you take when you see a Jax pick for top?


mundo, skarner, warwick, shyvana, teemo, swain, vlad, sion, yorick, irelia, voibear, wukong, xin zhao, garen, panth...
any champ that deals damage through skills or auto-attacks should be fine against jax. he's hard to kill without a hard stun because of his leap, but no way should he be bullying anyone in lane

i think literally the only champ i wouldn't take against him is fiora, maybe trynd. maybe trundle?


Those champs might do well in lane against Jax but I don't think they would all be good picks against him.
jax outscales mundo, skarner, volibear, and xin easily, and I don't think those champs would be able to zone him. Garen and shyvana would have to push him around really hard early because after 6 I think jax can just auto them down. The 25% aoe reduced damage is really strong against those two. The rest would be better choices imo.

Haven't played all those matchups a lot, though, so I could very well be wrong.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 23 2012 02:25 GMT
#1052
I think I remember SV saying recently though that Trundle might not be a necessity for jungle position in a poke comp, but I don't recall him naming any alternatives in particular though.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 23 2012 02:28 GMT
#1053
the last patch at least jax beats the shit out of a lot of melees, it's the guys like kennen or swain or singed that are impossible to catch that are really problematic, and weird edge cases like nasus whose Q goes through your dodge.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 02:32:15
March 23 2012 02:30 GMT
#1054
Dyrus
Y u no build wriggle's against Lee on Riven?

Also, his Riven is pretty meh anyways.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 23 2012 02:36 GMT
#1055
Exact note from day 1 of learning to play AD carry: Lulu makes killing things very hard.

I had an ez pinned up against the wall, half health, my ult (vayne) active when I was at like 60% health, and she was able to keep that ez alive for fucking EVER.

Also: bad jannas are VERY bad. And its VERY easy to tell when a bad janna is supporting you. I.E when she is no help WHATSOEVER in above situation.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 02:41:23
March 23 2012 02:40 GMT
#1056
On March 23 2012 09:41 Slayer91 wrote:
Don't forget UDYR!


run me down your solo top tiger build? i'm using ad/arpen/armor/mres, 9/21/0, cloth+5 -> wriggles merc wits phage hog -> finishing the rest in whatever order
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 23 2012 03:18 GMT
#1057
also, lulu is fucking awesome. i play a lot of support and she feels very natural in a bottom lane pairing with an AD. its interesting that her kit seems to be designed around shutting down the enemy ad, as well as having both an 'oh shit' button and an initiation aid in one spell with her R. i really like a lot of the gameplay choices that are thrust upon you when you pick this champ, and i'm especially enjoying figuring out how to skill her. all of her skills seem so worthwhile to max for different reasons, though i think the hex duration on W will take priority in the end
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Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
March 23 2012 03:35 GMT
#1058
On March 23 2012 12:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
also, lulu is fucking awesome. i play a lot of support and she feels very natural in a bottom lane pairing with an AD. its interesting that her kit seems to be designed around shutting down the enemy ad, as well as having both an 'oh shit' button and an initiation aid in one spell with her R. i really like a lot of the gameplay choices that are thrust upon you when you pick this champ, and i'm especially enjoying figuring out how to skill her. all of her skills seem so worthwhile to max for different reasons, though i think the hex duration on W will take priority in the end


Wild growth is SO GOOD for baiting people, and so strong in late game team fights, to be able to time an aoe knockup, and turning people into sheep is pretty cool, definitely one of the more fun champs to come out in some time.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 23 2012 03:40 GMT
#1059
On March 23 2012 07:01 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 06:47 overt wrote:
On March 23 2012 05:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's not that bad.
People just need to use their brain even with blue now. How shocking.


Pre-nerf you could still run oom on Swain in teamfights. Not being able to have ult up on him means you can't tank. It's not an issue of "use brain" his entire teamfight strength relies on his ult.


I think they need to be careful because Swain is a pretty dominant top laner already. I don't like him mid, as I stated in the swain thread, but his top lane vs melees doesn't even require you to use ult all that often. It is just so hard to put down damage on him when he has a 20% slow for 3s on an 8s cooldown (that is at one level in q only), not to mention a 2 second stun that isn't all that hard to hit.


Very likely that whatever Anivia/Swain buffs they give to their ults will just be to compensate for the blue buff nerf. So it'll probably be incredibly minor. Really stupid though how many people were like, "nah it's cool they're still strong." Of course they're both still strong but the blue buff nerf hurt those two champions more than it hurt any other APs so it makes sense that they get some kind of reduced mana cost on their ults to make up for it. Of course, it should definitely be minor but I don't think Riot is going to over due it.

Also I wouldn't mind a Swain fotm. Maybe it'd get more people to play him so that Riot would release a new Swain skin.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 23 2012 03:52 GMT
#1060
plz no fotm swain

First Kass, then Kenny, now the bird-man. All the mids I play/used to play becoming fotm. -.-
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