EPTyou're going to have a lot more success playing the same champ 17 out of 20 times in ranked than playing 6 champs 3-4 times each.
[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 300
| Forum Index > LoL General |
Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks! | ||
|
chalice
United States1945 Posts
you're going to have a lot more success playing the same champ 17 out of 20 times in ranked than playing 6 champs 3-4 times each. | ||
|
Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:08 Slayer91 wrote: This whole post means nothing to me since I think elo hell is simply a concept invented by people who can't see their own mistakes and thus don't know why they are losing. If you played hundreds of games in the mindset of practice to "get out of elo hell" then that's great. The reason you got out was because you played hundreds of games with the mindset of improving. But you should have this mindset going into ranked. The problem is you didn't want to play ranked because you were playing only to win elo and didn't use your games in the practice mindset. I think when I first started playing ranked I jumped to near 1400 but when I started queueing with the mindset that I wanted to get 1400 I started losing and it wasn't until 1270 I started to not give a fuck about winning and just picked some champ to practice and effortlessly rose in elo while doingthat. Pretty much. Whenever a high elo player needs to climb out of 'elo hell' they do so without losing a high amount of games. You saw it with Saint when he got his elo resetted to 0, the TSM guys with their EU accounts, etc etc. | ||
|
Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
| ||
|
MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
This can be easily remedied by practicing said so champion in normal games with no penalty then take it to ranked and watch as you demolish because you know your champion inside and out. | ||
|
Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:19 MooMooMugi wrote: Well for your case if you gained ELO by just picking whatever you please or felt like, great for you. But not everyone is that fortunate, most players that play champions that barely or have no knowledge on in ranked tend to do poorly, and they get punished for it. A general consensus in ranked is: picking champions you have 0 idea how to play like free week champions is "trolling." This can be easily remedied by practicing said so champion in normal games with no penalty then take it to ranked and watch as you demolish because you know your champion inside and out. This isn't what I'm saying though. I'm not saying play champions you have no idea how to play, I'm saying play the champions you enjoy and the one's you've been playing the whole time instead of learning lots of champions just to play them in ranked?? I didn't gain elo by playing whatever I wanted, I played what I was good at and what I liked and what I was used to. I think I played udyr once on free week when I was a nasus jungler but someone sniped him on the other team for top lane (bastard!) and I did good but we lost, and then I started practicing him in ranked after that like a few days later and obviously built off what I learned from nasus jungling but obviously he junglers better haha. I guess what I'm trying to say it treat ranked no differently from the way you treated normals. Just play to improve on champs that you enjoyed playing most in the past. It's a better atmosphere to improve in my opinion you should only practice in normals if you are too scared to lose elo in ranked by playing it which granted I've been in that spot a lot. | ||
|
chalice
United States1945 Posts
| ||
|
Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:26 chalice wrote: of course elo hell doesn't exist for a 2k player that is gonna carry 95% of games that are possible to carry, but if your skill level is that of a 1300-1400 player that can only truly carry 10-25% of the time it is entirely possible to get a bad streak of games in which 50% of them are decided by whichever team isn't either effectively or literally fighting a 4v5 battle if you let your elo get too close to the new ranked player 1100-1200 range. If you can carry 10% of the carryable games then you are placed higher than you belong, not lower. | ||
|
Alaric
France45622 Posts
| ||
|
LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:18 Zergneedsfood wrote: I don't understand how they do it though. It's so crazy. I can win my lane, sometimes even pretty hard too, but to completely carry the game....that takes some real skill. when you play a summoner lvl 1 game, you can carry bad teammates by yourself easily, this is exactly how high elo players feel at low elo. | ||
|
Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:08 Slayer91 wrote: This whole post means nothing to me since I think elo hell is simply a concept invented by people who can't see their own mistakes and thus don't know why they are losing. If you played hundreds of games in the mindset of practice to "get out of elo hell" then that's great. The reason you got out was because you played hundreds of games with the mindset of improving. But you should have this mindset going into ranked. The problem is you didn't want to play ranked because you were playing only to win elo and didn't use your games in the practice mindset. I think when I first started playing ranked I jumped to near 1400 but when I started queueing with the mindset that I wanted to get 1400 I started losing and it wasn't until 1270 I started to not give a fuck about winning and just picked some champ to practice and effortlessly rose in elo while doingthat. And most of what I know about top lane came from a foundation of picking Nasus all the time and everyone taking their best shot to shut me down or counter me. Once you learn how to play passive it means that you have most of the skill required to play top lane because there's always going to be periods where you can't trade with this guy or the jungler could gank you and playing when you're countered means you can play normal top lanes knowing what to do if you fall behind or are behind for a period of time or are getting ganked a lot. Getting counterpicked is great practice I guess counterpicking is too but it gives you an easier time against bad players although it's good for practicing against junglers who are trying to gank you a lot. Can only agree with the person above (and his Nasus is actually pretty decent  ). I generally play only one champion, and through him I learned all the aspects of the game. Once I got level 30 and started ranked I jumped straight to 1.5k and sat there for some time (never played dota or anything similar before, however almost exclusively played one champion). Only played top lane and sometimes mid, even though I did that I learned all aspects about top lane and most aspects about all other top lane champions without playing them. Got me above 2k and now my knowledge about all aspects of the game are at least close to that level as well, from only playing one champion as strange as it sounds. The reasoning that you need to know many champs, roles etc to go into ranked is bullcrap. Even if you lose in the beginning and get to 1k or lower, just focusing on the one champ and meanwhile trying to learn will slowly get you going and eventually if you are deserving, you will rise in elo.The mentality about top lane as slayer mentions, that even in a bad matchup just try to play passive, farm, and don't die works very well and makes the opponent surceptible to making mistakes while you are almost immune to them. Then even if you were to lose the lane, your superior knowledge of your char later in the game will often end up with you winning the game for your team (sadly enough your own team often don't realize this and complains like ass when you pick a char which is subpar vs an opponent hence they lose the game for you, while you also knows if you pick any other char you would lose the game for real as you only know that one char inside and out). | ||
|
Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:27 Kaniol wrote: Can we make the phrase "ELO hell" bannable, please? If you can carry 10% of the carryable games then you are placed higher than you belong, not lower. No, you're going to play below average in some games, above in others, carrying only 10% seems low. So it depends on your definition of carrying of course. | ||
|
Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
| ||
|
petered
United States1817 Posts
On April 14 2012 18:48 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is it just me or since the past few days (ever since we started getting queues evrytime we log in) there are just way more cases of getting disconnects from the game, or weird graphical glitches/delays? I had a bug where in pre game chat no one could see what anyone else was writing, and I ended up as support after picking a top laner. Pretty hilarious game that I wrote up about in the QQ thread. | ||
|
Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
Personally I say at the start of every ranked game that I'd like to jungle because I'm way better at it than other roles. If someone else on the team absolutely insists on jungling then I fill in whatever role is needed, acknowledging as I do so that my performance won't be as good. If we lose because I struggle in a role I'm unfamiliar with, so be it. I don't see the need for hundreds of normal games practicing champs I never intend to play in ranked because I jungle 90% of my games. | ||
|
TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
| ||
|
nojok
France15845 Posts
| ||
|
spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game). | ||
|
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Every thread he posts in is usually comedy gold. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2012178 | ||
|
Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I just dont understand WHY its fun to only play like 2 champions and then bitch about losing when someone takes them away, or takes the role you like away. | ||
|
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
| ||
| ||
