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On April 15 2012 00:35 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game).
Playing a champ for the first time in ranked is a pretty quick way to throw away a game and annoy a bunch of people. If you don't care about that then, whatever. I disagree. I only played like 150 normals before I started playing ranked and learned how stupid it was that I only played 3 or 4 champs and decided to learn some others while playing with friends.
Your anecdote doesn't really make a reasonable point. The vast majority of instances where someone plays a champ for the first time they will SUCK with them, especially if they're anywhere near their appropriate ranking.
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I've played every champion except Nautilus, Volibear, Shyvana, Karma, Olaf, Fiora and Tryndamere (Mostly just the recent ones since I took a break) at least once and I would also highly recommend doing the same, it gives you a much better perspective of what that champion wants to do during a match, whether they're an ally or an enemy, allowing you to react accordingly. Much faster learning than just grinding out on your 1-2 champions and seeing how they happen to interact with other champions from only that perspective.
But do it in normals, or even versus AI if you have absolutely no confidence.
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Be a man and play like Spamhappy: Poppy, any role, any lane. If she is banned or he can't get it, queue dodge.
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On April 15 2012 00:51 Slaughter wrote:
In champ select people talk about examples of people riding 1-2 champs to high elo. How? Do they act like dicksand pick thrm no matter what? My main champ I only have played in like 45 percent of my games.
My main is 37% of my games maybe knocking out ranked 5's closer to 45-50% but you play a couple of other roles and a couple of other champs and it adds up but you if you're going 50-50 with champs you're not the best at you don't lose elo so you still use your main champs to gain elo.
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I played support Poppy earlier today, everyone except my Vayne got pretty annoyed at me, and used me as an excuse when we lost, despite the fact that I didn't feed or do all that badly. It's kind of unfortunate there's such a strong stigma towards unorthodox things, it probably slows down the development of new strategies significantly. Although, big tournaments usually do seem to come up with one or two new things since pro teams practice secretly and whatnot.
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On April 15 2012 00:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:35 spinesheath wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game). Playing a champ for the first time in ranked is a pretty quick way to throw away a game and annoy a bunch of people. If you don't care about that then, whatever. I disagree. I only played like 150 normals before I started playing ranked and learned how stupid it was that I only played 3 or 4 champs and decided to learn some others while playing with friends. Your anecdote doesn't really make a reasonable point. The vast majority of instances where someone plays a champ for the first time they will SUCK with them, especially if they're anywhere near their appropriate ranking.
And you think someone who just starts playing ranked is "anywhere near their appropriate ranking"?
Plus with some common sense and not picking a champ that is vastly different from all you have played before, you're not going to "throw" the game. This game is mechanically easy. Like really. And unless our first-time-ranked friend miraculously rises to 1800 elo in 10 games playing nothing but his main while his other champs are 1200 elo at most it's not a problem. Really, it isn't.
Oh and... you will annoy just as many people when you play a champ in a normal for the first time. The majority of people in normal solo Q are pretty damn tryhard. I'd even say they rage more than the people in ranked.
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nope
just server busy sometimes
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On April 15 2012 01:05 CROrens wrote:
is the client down?
EU? Doesn't seem so. No queues disabled either.
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On April 15 2012 01:04 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 15 2012 00:35 spinesheath wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game). Playing a champ for the first time in ranked is a pretty quick way to throw away a game and annoy a bunch of people. If you don't care about that then, whatever. I disagree. I only played like 150 normals before I started playing ranked and learned how stupid it was that I only played 3 or 4 champs and decided to learn some others while playing with friends. Your anecdote doesn't really make a reasonable point. The vast majority of instances where someone plays a champ for the first time they will SUCK with them, especially if they're anywhere near their appropriate ranking. And you think someone who just starts playing ranked is "anywhere near their appropriate ranking"? Plus with some common sense and not picking a champ that is vastly different from all you have played before, you're not going to "throw" the game. This game is mechanically easy. Like really. And unless our first-time-ranked friend miraculously rises to 1800 elo in 10 games playing nothing but his main while his other champs are 1200 elo at most it's not a problem. Really, it isn't. Oh and... you will annoy just as many people when you play a champ in a normal for the first time. The majority of people in normal solo Q are pretty damn tryhard. I'd even say they rage more than the people in ranked.
I do most of my experimenting playing with friends so I don't know too much about NA solo queue besides when I played from level 1 to 30.
The thing about normals is there's no appreciable ranking loss because you didn't learn anything but caitlyn and lux before starting ranked. Even if you cause people to lose there's no giant W/L rate on their page or lowered elo for it which people, arbitrary as it is, value a lot higher.
Also you're assuming this is only someone who's just now starting. This is an enormous problem in most of soloqueue where people will only play one or two champs or they will troll, feed, and DC if they don't get said roles. If everyone could play a couple champs in every role, even most of them sub optimally, there would be much less hassle in champ select and a lot less bad blood. And it's solvable by playing 3 or 4 games with, what, 10 different champions? Do you think 30-40 games to get a ranked repertoire is more of a hassle than not feeding?
LoL is mechanically easy, but it's obviously not practically easy to be able to just random a champ and do well against players of equal skill level playing champs they know.
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On April 15 2012 00:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:35 spinesheath wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game). Playing a champ for the first time in ranked is a pretty quick way to throw away a game and annoy a bunch of people. If you don't care about that then, whatever. I disagree. I only played like 150 normals before I started playing ranked and learned how stupid it was that I only played 3 or 4 champs and decided to learn some others while playing with friends. Your anecdote doesn't really make a reasonable point. The vast majority of instances where someone plays a champ for the first time they will SUCK with them, especially if they're anywhere near their appropriate ranking.
Eh, depends on the champ.
First time I ever played Yorick was in ranked... As it turns out buying tear and shitting all over people rather easy with him.
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On April 15 2012 01:09 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 15 2012 00:35 spinesheath wrote:On April 15 2012 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If you go into ranked only being able to play two champs and maybe one support, what do you do when those lanes get taken and your support banned? You really need atleast a modest number of champs you can play in different lanes so you don't get ruined by the other team picking what you want to play or you not getting the lane you want. You just play another champ. Where's the problem? Sure, you're probably not gonna carry and so on, but it's not the end of the world. As long as you don't pick one of the few not-so-easy-to-get-the-hang-of champs you should be fine. At least you got some real practice for that champ. I've won lots of ranked games where I played a champ for the first time (it goes downhill starting with the second game). Playing a champ for the first time in ranked is a pretty quick way to throw away a game and annoy a bunch of people. If you don't care about that then, whatever. I disagree. I only played like 150 normals before I started playing ranked and learned how stupid it was that I only played 3 or 4 champs and decided to learn some others while playing with friends. Your anecdote doesn't really make a reasonable point. The vast majority of instances where someone plays a champ for the first time they will SUCK with them, especially if they're anywhere near their appropriate ranking. Eh, depends on the champ. First time I ever played Yorick was in ranked... As it turns out buying tear and shitting all over people rather easy with him.
Fair point, but it's not a method to live by.
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How hard it is to get your main obviously depends on role etc, but you should be able to get it most of the time if you just ask in champ select.
This season I've jungled 297 out of 355 games. 223 of those games are as Udyr, and 74 as other junglers when he's been picked or banned. Of the 58 non-jungle games I've played, 39 of them are as support since that's the role where I feel my relative inexperience has the smallest impact on the team.
If you want to play every champ then that's fine too, do whatever is fun for you, but I just don't see why you have to know a whole bunch of champions to start playing ranked. Knowing a small list of champs intimately and ideally specialising in one role is the fastest way to improve your play. If you have to play something else just tell your teammates that you're inexperienced with the role and do your best. Like Teut said, if you go close to 50/50 in your games as your non-main role then you should still be able to gain elo as long as you play better when you do get your spot, which obviously you should since it's where you put the majority of your practice.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
I would reccomend learning like 3 champions before you go ranked, 1-2 main champs and 1-2 supports for when you are last pick. That's how I do it, main Skarner, Soraka or Sona for when I am last pick/Skarner is taken. Depending on what role you're maining you either have to be a passable or good support - if you are maining top lane, good luck getting it when not 1st-2nd pick. If you are maining AD carry or jungle most people will let you do that down to 4th pick.
I'm pretty sure you don't need to know how to play every role, let alone more than 1 champion in every role, I suppose it depends on how reasonable people in your elo are, but at least at 1200 where I played a few games it was alright.
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On April 15 2012 01:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:
The thing about normals is there's no appreciable ranking loss because you didn't learn anything but caitlyn and lux before starting ranked. Even if you cause people to lose there's no giant W/L rate on their page or lowered elo for it which people, arbitrary as it is, value a lot higher.
Someone who hasn't ever played a single ranked game and loses his precious tryhard normal game because someone is new to a champion is likely to be just as annoyed as someone who lost a ranked game for the same reason.
On April 15 2012 01:07 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also you're assuming this is only someone who's just now starting. This is an enormous problem in most of soloqueue where people will only play one or two champs or they will troll, feed, and DC if they don't get said roles. If everyone could play a couple champs in every role, even most of them sub optimally, there would be much less hassle in champ select and a lot less bad blood. And it's solvable by playing 3 or 4 games with, what, 10 different champions? Do you think 30-40 games to get a ranked repertoire is more of a hassle than not feeding?
LoL is mechanically easy, but it's obviously not practically easy to be able to just random a champ and do well against players of equal skill level playing champs they know.
My original advice was playing ~5 champs for ~2 games each. Casually, just to make sure you're not mentally locked to a single one. Also the discussion was about someone new to ranked. Of course I'm assuming we're talking about someone new to ranked.
Are you saying I am encouraging people to troll/feed/dc if they don't get their main? What? I'm pretty sure I wassaying that you shouldn't make a fuss about it if you don't get your main; just pick another champ and play. Normally. Because you don't have to worry about not playing your absolute best champions all the time in ranked. It's not a big deal.
On April 15 2012 01:24 Scip wrote:
I would reccomend learning like 3 champions before you go ranked, 1-2 main champs and 1-2 supports for when you are last pick. That's how I do it, main Skarner, Soraka or Sona for when I am last pick/Skarner is taken. Depending on what role you're maining you either have to be a passable or good support - if you are maining top lane, good luck getting it when not 1st-2nd pick. If you are maining AD carry or jungle most people will let you do that down to 4th pick.
I'm pretty sure you don't need to know how to play every role, let alone more than 1 champion in every role, I suppose it depends on how reasonable people in your elo are, but at least at 1200 where I played a few games it was alright.
You call that having learnt Soraka?
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On April 15 2012 00:56 daemir wrote:Be a man and play like Spamhappy: Poppy, any role, any lane. If she is banned or he can't get it, queue dodge. + Show Spoiler +
The thing about Spamhappy is he was already a 2K+ player already. He plays exclusively Poppy on that account and does very well because he already has a high understanding of the game to begin with
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Random question
Is it just me or do people take forever to die nowadays? I just get the distinct feeling that teamfights have been getting longer and longer as times goes on.
edit: keep in mind I've been playing since Xin patch.
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I think that before starting ranked you should play all the champions AT LEAST one time so you know what they can do and what they can't.
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You can get by very easy with a limited pool of champions. I only have like 12 not including free week ones and I've never had a problem picking something in ranked. As long as you have 2 champs for every role which you've played at least once (main and backup if main gets picked) you're fine. Not even mentioning that half the champs can double up (perhaps less efficiently but nevertheless), e.g. olaf top/jungle; alistar support/jungle, soraka support/mid etc.
Hell, I'd be so bold as to say you only need to know two champions to succeed in ranked - your most favourite champion and soraka. Because let's face it, nobody hardly anybody wants to support.
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On April 15 2012 01:50 phyvo wrote:
Random question
Is it just me or do people take forever to die nowadays? I just get the distinct feeling that teamfights have been getting longer and longer as times goes on.
edit: keep in mind I've been playing since Xin patch.
People living longer is generally a sign of having better players in the game. The better people are, the more they know how to gauge when to stay and when to run and when to hang around waiting to help a teammate / pick off something. Bad players just all-in and die.
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